ASCII Tab Chord Diagrams?

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This discussion started in the Christmas Song Thread, but I think the topic is broad enough to deserve it's own thread.

What is the BEST way to indicate chord diagrams in ASCII tab?

I have been doing it "my way" for over ten years, but I know it's not the only way, and it might not even be the best way.

The way I do it, vertical lines represent strings, frets are indicated by Roman numerals and/or carriage returns, and fingers are represented by Arabic numerals (regular numbers) placed on the corresponding string/fret space. O's represent open strings, and X's represent strings not played.

For example:
Code:
       D          G          A
     xxo          oo       xo   o
   I ||||||     ||||||     ||||||
  II |||1|2     |1||||     ||213|
 III ||||3|     2|||34     ||||||

One of the problems with this method is it requires fixed width font to display correctly, and on a forum such as the TDPRI, you need to put CODE brackets around it or it gets all garbled. In fact, even with the CODE brackets, it still shows up as garbled on my Android phone.

So I'm willing to admit that, "my way" might have been the best way to do things in 2003, but now that it's 2013, there may be better solutions.

People! Do chord charts like this:

A/C# = x42220
E7 = 020100
etc...
They are easier to post and MUCH easier to read.

I like this solution, and in most cases it works, but it doesn't allow you to define different grips. For example:

Code:
       A          A          A
     xo   o     xo   o     xo   o
   I ||||||     ||||||     ||||||
  II ||123|     ||112|     ||213|
 III ||||||     ||||||     ||||||

In Jbmando's system, all three of these common A chord grips look the same, i.e., x02220.

This is probably perfectly acceptable when working with intermediate or higher level students, but I know for myself, I was playing for several years before I learned the "213 A", i.e.,

Code:
       A
     xo   o 
   I ||||||  
  II ||213|  
 III ||||||

Another way I've seen (and sometimes used) is to simply TAB out all the chords, not as diagrams, but as tabulature. For example:

Code:
     D  G  A
1e---2--3--0---||
2B---3--3--2---||
3G---2--0--2---||
4D---0--0--2---||
5A------2--0---||
6E------3------||

This doesn't show the grips (i.e., fingerings) but allows you to put a lot more chords in a much smaller space.

Sometimes this TAB method for chords will work with variable width fonts, but to avoid confusion, I use fixed width fonts, thus requiring the use of the CODE brackets on forums like TDPRI...

One thing I've noticed just in the process of making this one post, Jbmando's system is MUCH easier for the person writing out the tab. :oops: ;)

While I might like to use grip-specific chord diagrams (i.e., those that show which specific fingers to use) for my paying students, when I share stuff for free on Internet forums, I'm thinking Jbmando's way is so much easier, I might use it as my default system, and only use grip-specific diagrams by request... :idea:

EDIT: When I post suggested grips, they are only suggestions, and I usually label them as such. The problems occur because some people are so hungry for dogma, they'll latch on to every little thing you say as a "LAW" or a "RULE". :idea:

The only rule I have is to make it sound as good as possible... And the only way to do this is by LISTENING. Good guitarists play with their ears, not their fingers... ;)
 

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320003 is easy to type and instantly understood. I'm sticking with it.
When and if a fingering is that important(?), we can discuss it then.
 

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320003 is easy to type and instantly understood. I'm sticking with it.
When and if a fingering is that important(?), we can discuss it then.

Thanks for your input Ken. Consider me converted.

I won't indicate grips anymore unless specifically requested. It'll save me a lot of time too... :oops:
 

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When you're sitting in front of somebody, like in a lesson, it's really easy to indicate the fingerings. Lets face it - physically drawing chord diagrams by hand and on paper is still way faster than doing it in a text format.

*Now, if there was some kind of chord grid diagram editor that you could quickly and easily (seamlessly) place dots and numbers, Xs and 0s into that would be really cool.
 

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When you're sitting in front of somebody, like in a lesson, it's really easy to indicate the fingerings. Lets face it - physically drawing chord diagrams by hand and on paper is still way faster than doing it in a text format.
Actually, I type pretty dagnabbit fast! lol

What's tedious is trying to make variable width font text line up on internet forums like TDPRI... I find it much faster to do it in a text editor, and then copy/paste to the forum.

One of my students turned me onto a text editor called Notepad++. Apparently it's what all the programmer gurus use to write computer code. It's much better for writing tab than any of the stock text editors, and it's FREE.

http://notepad-plus-plus.org/

It's essentially shareware for computer programmers, but it works well for ASCII guitar tab too...

Hope this is useful to somebody! :oops: ;)
 

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I didn't even know what ASCII was until I just googled it :lol:

I'm very much an old fashioned kinda guy (despite my relative youth) in that I prefer a sheet of paper and a pencil (pen at a push - though I'm prone to mistakes) and I draw the chord boxes (I can put fingers inside the dots ;)) and slashes for rhythm counts and tab out little motifs if they vary from the standard song pattern.

I guess it's very much a personal thing - whatever gets the job done is absolutely fine by me!

That TAB paper with large gaps between the sets of lines (not a staff lol) is really good because it allows nice big clear drawings/annotations! I also like to write things out on paper because I don't like playing from a screen - typing it out and printing it would save me no time whatsoever and I would have to keep buying ink :eek:
 

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I guess it's very much a personal thing - whatever gets the job done is absolutely fine by me!

That TAB paper with large gaps between the sets of lines (not a staff lol) is really good because it allows nice big clear drawings/annotations! I also like to write things out on paper because I don't like playing from a screen - typing it out and printing it would save me no time whatsoever and I would have to keep buying ink :eek:
If I write out certain chord and scale studies over and over again. Eventually I get tired of writing them out repeatedly, and I'll do an ASCII version so I can email it to students.

Here's one example:

Code:
Am/C Pentatonic in Vth Postion

Ascend in 3's  

Notes on the 5th fret get down picked... v  
All others get up picked ^

Starts on the 3rd beat...
        v
123 1 2 3   1 2 3   1 2 3  1 2 3  1 2 3  1 2 3  1 2 3  1 2 3  1 2 3  1 2 3  1 2 3 
     1e----|----------------------------------------------------------------5---5--||
     2B----|--------------------------------------------------5---5--8-5-8----8----||
     3G----|------------------------------------5---5--7-5-7----7------------------||
     4D----|----------------------5---5--7-5-7----7--------------------------------||
     5A----|--------5---5--7-5-7----7----------------------------------------------||
     6E--5-|-8-5-8----8------------------------------------------------------------||
ALT      v   ^ v ^  v ^ v  ^ v ^  v ^ v  ^ v ^  v ^ v  ^ v ^  v ^ v  ^ v ^  v ^ v
PICK
 
Descend in 3's

            1 2 3  1 2 3  1 2 3  1 2 3  1 2 3  1 2 3  1 2 3  1 2 3  1 2 3  1 2 3 
     1e-----8-5----5-------------------------------------------------------------||
     2B---------8----8-5--8-5----5-----------------------------------------------||
     3G-----------------------7----7-5--7-5----5---------------------------------||
     4D-------------------------------------7----7-5--7-5----5-------------------||
     5A---------------------------------------------------7----7-5--7-5----5-----||
     6E-----------------------------------------------------------------8----8-5-||
ALT         ^ v ^  v ^ v  ^ v ^  v ^ v  ^ v ^  v ^ v  ^ v ^  v ^ v  ^ v ^  v ^ v
PICK
 

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*Now, if there was some kind of chord grid diagram editor that you could quickly and easily (seamlessly) place dots and numbers, Xs and 0s into that would be really cool.

I don't use it often but this is the one I've had for a couple of years. http://www.neckdiagrams.com/

The diagrams need to be saved as JPEG or PDF files before posting on a forum but using the diagram software itself is fast and very user friendly. You can use dots, x's, o's, numbers, diatonic degrees and you can add text in and around the diagrams. It's a good system.

Here's some quick examples. (actually, it's been so long since I've last used it it did take me some time to remember how to do stuff)

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http://www.neckdiagrams.com/
The diagrams need to be saved as JPEG or PDF files before posting on a forum

I'd loose interest with those couple of steps.
For me to do it It'd have to be as simple as adding a picture here. Just click on a button and the TAB editor comes up, hit 'add' to post and it's done. *I realize that the tdpri would have to add a feature like that.
 

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If I write out certain chord and scale studies over and over again. Eventually I get tired of writing them out repeatedly, and I'll do an ASCII version so I can email it to students. Here's one example: Am/C Pentatonic in Vth Postion Ascend in 3's Notes on the 5th fret get down picked... v All others get up picked ^ Starts on the 3rd beat... v 123 1 2 3 1 2 3 1 2 3 1 2 3 1 2 3 1 2 3 1 2 3 1 2 3 1 2 3 1 2 3 1 2 3 1e----|----------------------------------------------------------------5---5--|| 2B----|--------------------------------------------------5---5--8-5-8----8----|| 3G----|------------------------------------5---5--7-5-7----7------------------|| 4D----|----------------------5---5--7-5-7----7--------------------------------|| 5A----|--------5---5--7-5-7----7----------------------------------------------|| 6E--5-|-8-5-8----8------------------------------------------------------------|| ALT v ^ v ^ v ^ v ^ v ^ v ^ v ^ v ^ v ^ v ^ v ^ v ^ v ^ v ^ v ^ v PICK Descend in 3's 1 2 3 1 2 3 1 2 3 1 2 3 1 2 3 1 2 3 1 2 3 1 2 3 1 2 3 1 2 3 1e-----8-5----5-------------------------------------------------------------|| 2B---------8----8-5--8-5----5-----------------------------------------------|| 3G-----------------------7----7-5--7-5----5---------------------------------|| 4D-------------------------------------7----7-5--7-5----5-------------------|| 5A---------------------------------------------------7----7-5--7-5----5-----|| 6E-----------------------------------------------------------------8----8-5-|| ALT ^ v ^ v ^ v ^ v ^ v ^ v ^ v ^ v ^ v ^ v ^ v ^ v ^ v ^ v ^ v PICK

Then I'd just scan the page and save it in a folder - that way I'd have multiple copies available if needed.
 

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Jay Freddy....what are the mechanics for coming up with that ASCII tab and posting...
what program, etc...?

thanks...
Notepad++

I have some blank tab staffs I start with, makes it much faster.

Like this:

Code:
BLANK ASCII TAB (copy/paste as needed...)


1e-----------------------------------------------------------------||
2B-----------------------------------------------------------------||
3G-----------------------------------------------------------------||
4D-----------------------------------------------------------------||
5A-----------------------------------------------------------------||
6E-----------------------------------------------------------------||

Hmmm, doesn't quote well.
No kiddin' eh? lol :oops: :p :lol:
 

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(Thanks for all the Christmas Tunes. Very cool!!!)
I have a real hard time sifting through all the dashes of ASCII tab but I plod along converting to my way of looking at things happily.
Personally, I am stuck in notation from a way back.
Playing with the notes opens up a whole nuther ball of wax and is easy enough for fingerings by attaching a tab track.
One can use a fretboard view to enter the notes either by the tab track or the notation track and then just copy the whole track to the other. Copying the notation track to the tab track does not choose the best fingerings so I enter the notes into the tab track using the fretboard and then copy to the notation track sometimes.
I can see the point of the numerical method which is very easy to follow and transcribe.
I just can't stop playing with the notes. It's addictive.

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Chord diagrams or pictures

Is there a good website that I can copy chord diagrams or pictures from so I can paste them onto a Word document? I'm putting together a little instruction booklet. I will need the regular shapes, plus the sus chords, such as Cadd9, and power chords, etc.
Thank you
 

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Interesing post. I had never seen Jay Freddy's style as a convention anywhere. I am 97% self taught and I have learned mostly off the internet. Harkens back to when I had enough money for a guitar in college, but didn't buy any books or lessons. I regret this now. Anyway, I always would see: 022000 or xx0232. Very quick and worked for me.

Where I have a lot of problems, even 20 years into this is seeing something like: xx765x Huh? I actually have to think about it.

In fact, seeing a whole string of these, especially way up the neck gave me eye cramps. Once I figured out it;s part of a barred A, I'm OK.

Code:
    D  G  A
1e---2--3--0---||
2B---3--3--2---||
3G---2--0--2---||
4D---0--0--2---||
5A------2--0---||
6E------3------||


"Grips" never heard that term. Nor "double stops" until this year on my year of guitar scholarship this year. :)

That's the weird thing about the internet, it's good for some things, but not everything. The latest one I had a hard time with is the SRV "Tighrope" chord: x6767x I watched Marth Shwartz discuss it as similar to a D shape with the pinky on the B string. I couldn't get it quickly. Until, I realized I could barre at the 6th fret and get the 7s with my middle and ring finger.
 

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That's the weird thing about the internet, it's good for some things, but not everything. The latest one I had a hard time with is the SRV "Tighrope" chord: x6767x I watched Marth Shwartz discuss it as similar to a D shape with the pinky on the B string. I couldn't get it quickly. Until, I realized I could barre at the 6th fret and get the 7s with my middle and ring finger.

Another weird thing about the internet is the names given to chords! That's just a garden variety m7b5 chord, often used as a rootless 9th chord. Don't name it after anyone!
 

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I named it for purpose of the discussion since I didn't know the name. But, LOL


I heard the E9 referred to as the Hendrix chord. :)
 

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Just kidding, it's always fun to attach a name to a chord. The Hendrix chord is the 7#9 (for example, x7678x).

Since it's the season, I've been thinking of the Maj7b6 chord as the "Charlie Brown" chord, since Vince Guaraldi liked it: x36453
 
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