Treble bleed good or not

[cocoboudin]

Some guitar player said yes it's pretty good and some say no.
What treble bleed realy do how does it affect the sound of the guitar tele,strat,lp or any kind of guitars. Could someone exlpaine to me.
Thank you

 

[Ricky D.]

A treble bleed will allow you to turn down your guitar volume without affecting the tone. Without a treble bleed, you would lose some highs.

I like them, but it's a personal preference thing. Some people prefer otherwise.

Of course, there are poorly designed treble bleeds out there. On my Tele and Strat, I use 220K ohms in parallel with 680 pF. Just right.

 

[cocoboudin]

Ok i do have some 0.001 capacitor from stewmac would it do the job right Thank you again

 

[tazzboy]

Why not just wire your guitar vintage style wiring?

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[Ricky D.]

Ok i do have some 0.001 capacitor from stewmac would it do the job right Thank you again

I don't think so. You need an electronically tuned resistance-capacitance network to resonate just right to make this work. The proper component values are vital if you want to be able to roll back your volume control without changing the tone. 680pF capacitor, 220K ohm resistor in parallel.

These are cheap parts, probably cost more in gas money than parts to go get them. If you have to mail order, I suggest Acme:

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You can experiment with what you have with worrying about damage. I just don't think you will get the results you want.

 

[Michael Poche]

Personally, I don't like them on my Telecaster. A slight turn-down of the knob, for me, takes a bit of edge off the tone that I like. . . almost makes it sound a bit more acoustic, to my ears at least. Treble bleed circuits may also (not sure about this) mess with the taper of pots a bit, so if you do pinky swells, it may change things.

 

[TeleTim911]

I'm lost here...so you guys are saying that as you turn the volume back on your guitar it should NOT reduce the treble in the sound? Every guitar I've ever owned has done this, and I've been trying to find a cure for it.

Please elaborate, I'd like some more info on all this. Thanks.

 

[Colt W. Knight]

Anyone have a picture of where the resistor/capacitor solder up on the pot?

 

[Agave_Blue]

I'm lost here...so you guys are saying that as you turn the volume back on your guitar it should NOT reduce the treble in the sound? Every guitar I've ever owned has done this, and I've been trying to find a cure for it.

Please elaborate, I'd like some more info on all this. Thanks.

They're saying as you roll the volume back most guitars lose treble - the problem you've been trying to cure.

With a treble bleed mod, this no longer happens (or it's less noticable).

Here's the SD diagram for it: (link removed)

Some experimentation with cap and resitor values might be in order to find the tone you like best.

 

[Colt W. Knight]

Thanks Agave

 

[Ricky D.]

... 680pF capacitor, 220K ohm resistor. ...

These values work very well for me in two tele's and a strat. Wired like the SD diagram.

 

[Colt W. Knight]

Question???-

What if you have a humbucker in the neck position and tele bridge. What values would you use?

 

[louis cyfer]

come on guys. all you need is the vintage wiring mod. solves the loss of highs when rolling back the volume pot, but without the loss of lows you get from the treble bleed. this should be common knowledge by now. treble bleeds suck compare to the vintage wiring mod. i used to do the treble bleed, no longer.

 

[louis cyfer]

Why not just wire your guitar vintage style wiring?

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that is not a good way to do it. try this one


http://www.singlecoil.com/docs/tele-tone2.pdf

 

[RomanS]

come on guys. all you need is the vintage wiring mod. solves the loss of highs when rolling back the volume pot, but without the loss of lows you get from the treble bleed. this should be common knowledge by now. treble bleeds suck compare to the vintage wiring mod. i used to do the treble bleed, no longer.

+100000 to that!
I absolutely HATE the treble bleed on a Tele - it makes it sound thin, tinny, and harsh.
Vintage wiring (better known as Fezz Parka wiring around here) works just as well for keeping the treble when turning down the volume, but doesn't suck out all the life and bass from the Tele tone, as the treble bleed does.
Fezz Parka mod:
http://www.singlecoil.com/docs/tele-tone2.pdf

 

[telemnemonics]

bleed or not bleed

The reason I stopped using the bleed is that I like turning down to clean up a distorted amp. It seems to me that when I turn up an amp to the point of distortion I need to turn up the treble as well, since an amp will seem to have less brightness when cranked into distortion. A good example is a 70s Marshall that is way too bright until you crank it up. So if the amp gets brighter when I turn down the guitar and the bleed keeps the guitar bright as well, the combination ends up too bright. The bleed works best when turning down a clean amp from the guitar volume and not losing brightness. I've also wired the switch on an Esquire to cut the bleed in or out depending on the setup I'm playing through, but I just ended up confused. Thinking and playing don't mix all that well for me.

 

[woodman]

I used the treble bleed for a long time (years), then switched it back, largely because of the reasons mentioned above.

 

[Crawfish]

+100000 to that!
I absolutely HATE the treble bleed on a Tele - it makes it sound thin, tinny, and harsh.
Vintage wiring (better known as Fezz Parka wiring around here) works just as well for keeping the treble when turning down the volume, but doesn't suck out all the life and bass from the Tele tone, as the treble bleed does.
Fezz Parka mod:
http://www.singlecoil.com/docs/tele-tone2.pdf

+1 on the Fezz Parka mod. I had my Teles set up with treble bleeds, then tried the Fezz. Much much better sounding, much cheaper (costs nothing) and much easier to reverse to boot.

Now I need to figure out the equivalent for my Strats...

-Kevin

 

[louis cyfer]

The reason I stopped using the bleed is that I like turning down to clean up a distorted amp. It seems to me that when I turn up an amp to the point of distortion I need to turn up the treble as well, since an amp will seem to have less brightness when cranked into distortion. A good example is a 70s Marshall that is way too bright until you crank it up. So if the amp gets brighter when I turn down the guitar and the bleed keeps the guitar bright as well, the combination ends up too bright. The bleed works best when turning down a clean amp from the guitar volume and not losing brightness. I've also wired the switch on an Esquire to cut the bleed in or out depending on the setup I'm playing through, but I just ended up confused. Thinking and playing don't mix all that well for me.

you don't need the bleed. just the fezz parka mod.

 

[louis cyfer]

+1 on the Fezz Parka mod. I had my Teles set up with treble bleeds, then tried the Fezz. Much much better sounding, much cheaper (costs nothing) and much easier to reverse to boot.

Now I need to figure out the equivalent for my Strats...

-Kevin

you can find that on premiere guitar. have to move 2 wires for the strat. costs the same though. works exactly the same.