Another example of why we should just let Darwin do his work.

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Nobody in the last 200 years has been injured or killed by a wild bison or bear or hippo who did not deserve it completely.

You are getting way ahead of yourself with that statement. A lot of injuries and deaths are from unexpected contact and can happen even when people take precautions.

But as far as those two idiots, I would not render first aid if they got themselves gored by those bisons in my presence. One has no legal duty to respond and it simply would not be my problem because I do not want to have dreams or recollections of seeing someone up close in that bad condition or want to get someone else's blood on me. At bottom, I do not want the blood of others on me period, and I am not going to voluntarily make it happen due to the preventable stupidity of someone else.
 

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The result of a world where many of it's inhabitants have grown up incessently playing video games rather than engaging with the real world? It's inexplicable how 'adults' could be so stupid. I guess you could call it ignorant....but when ignorant reaches a certain point it becomes just plain stupid.
 

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Like the woman at the Anchorage Zoo back in 1994:

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On July 29, 1994, 29-year-old Australian tourist Kathryn Warburton jumped over two safety rails to get a close-up photograph of Binky in his enclosure. When Binky stuck his head through the bars and grabbed her, she suffered a broken leg and bite wounds. Another tourist caught the event on tape. Binky kept the woman's shoe for three days before it could be retrieved by zoo officials, and the day after the attack, Alaska Star photographer Rob Layman took a photo of Binky holding the shoe in his mouth, an image which was printed in almost every press account of the incident. Warburton gave the other shoe to the Bird House, a bar in nearby Bird Creek that burned down in 1996.
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The Bird House Bar on Turnagain Sound was legendary. The building was broken in half in an earthquake and the bar was permanently slanted. The owners stabilized everything but never made things straight again. Somehow, it made it easier to walk around in when tipsy!
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You are getting way ahead of yourself with that statement. A lot of injuries and deaths are from unexpected contact and can happen even when people take precautions.

But as far as those two idiots, I would not render first aid if they got themselves gored by those bisons in my presence. One has no legal duty to respond and it simply would not be my problem because I do not want to have dreams or recollections of seeing someone up close in that bad condition or want to get someone else's blood on me. At bottom, I do not want the blood of others on me period, and I am not going to voluntarily make it happen due to the preventable stupidity of someone else.
So you believe an aggressive bison can just show up and cause harm? Like he’s on your driveway when you’re headed out to dinner and you really need him to move? It’s a large, wild mammal. Under what circumstances would one inadvertently have a conflict with a bison?
 

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I start to get behind this idea, but then I remember something from when I was 16 years old and driving in the mountains with my best friend in the passenger seat.

We needed, uh, something out of the glove compartment, but it was locked. I was going around a fairly tight curve. I pulled the keys out of the ignition and handed them to my buddy. As the car straightened in preparation for the next curve, I heard a "click" - - the sound of the steering wheel locking. I screamed at the poor guy to give me the keys, which he did promptly. Had he dropped them, though . . . . .
 

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The problem with Darwinistas is they have children who could be put at risk. Thirty years ago I was travelling by car across South Africa. It was near Cape Town where we pulled off the road to witness a congress of wild baboons. Other people had pulled over as well. Some dumb parents let their toddler daughter walk around unattended with a bag of chips. A huge mother of a baboon walked over to take her chips and she held them up away from the beast. Of course, the baboon smacked the child, knocking her out and leaving claw marks.
 

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So you believe an aggressive bison can just show up and cause harm? Like he’s on your driveway when you’re headed out to dinner and you really need him to move? It’s a large, wild mammal. Under what circumstances would one inadvertently have a conflict with a bison?

Weeeeeelll. I once kinda inadvertently ended up on the wrong side of the fence along with some bison. I seriously didn't mean to. But I did. In the early 80s I was about 14 or so, out on my primitive mountain bike, came down a hill and found myself inside a ranch. Not sure exactly how or where I crossed a fence. But it was clear I was in the ranch when I suddenly realized there were a bunch of bison near me. Part of me was intrigued that a well known but well hidden suburban coastal ranch had bison to begin with. But I was not about to try to get friendly with them. I moved very slowly in the opposite direction I came until I was far enough to high tail it out of dodge without causing any stir.

I had more than a few weird situations like that as a kid. Parenting was... different then.

But those type of things are what developed in me a very healthy and humane respect for large animals. They are not to be trifled with.

In any case, looking back I'm not sure which would have been worse: trampled/gored by bison? Or shot by a rancher?
 

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The result of a world where many of it's inhabitants have grown up incessently playing video games rather than engaging with the real world? It's inexplicable how 'adults' could be so stupid. I guess you could call it ignorant....but when ignorant reaches a certain point it becomes just plain stupid.
Video games? That's an interesting stretch. Are you sure you don't mean the portion among all of us who've always struggled to do well?
 

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most folks spend most of their time carving out a safe place away from danger. If they are good at it, they eliminate pretty much all threats from wildlife and from the wild.

As time goes by, they lose the skills they would have gained from constant danger. They decide to vacation (because getting fresh air and new experiences are putatively good for a person.)

They travel to a place that they think of as being exotic (and it is to them) and their habits do what habits do... they carry over to the new environment.

I've had to help people get through mistakes they made in this transition and they really struggle to move from one world to the next.
 

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My wife grew up around horses. She actually rode some equestrian as a kid. She is very relaxed around them but at the same time very aware of the situation. Those darn things do bite if they really want to. Myself, I'm not that at ease around them. I just make sure I don't ever get behind one. For several reasons. :)
 

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My wife grew up around horses. She actually rode some equestrian as a kid. She is very relaxed around them but at the same time very aware of the situation. Those darn things do bite if they really want to. Myself, I'm not that at ease around them. I just make sure I don't ever get behind one. For several reasons. :)


General Situational awareness is a challenge for lots of people. Just walking in a crowd or moving through a store, you see people who lack purpose and direction, who are meandering due to cloudy thinking vs. relaxing and window shopping or browsing.

When my children were little and through their teens they learned 'sensible shoes & walk with a purpose' which was directly from my upbringing.

There is nothing wrong with meandering or just wandering, but it isn't really in a place where the situation would promote more thoughtful solutions.

the key to all of this is being conscious of self and surroundings always. even in relaxation. a person should not really relax until they have certainty of their surroundings.... but, we see folks just forget themselves and all others in places where they can wreak havoc (or bring danger home to live)
 

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I agree. People too stupid to know better should not live long enough to procreate.

Perhaps I'm wrong about that.

Hmmm...after a little reflection, it means there are humans already in the 'food chain', so to speak, and they decrease my own chances of meeting an untimely end.

Go pet the bison! Give the polar bear a little coochie-coo behind the ears!
I agree, also. Humans are unpredictable enough, as is. "Wild" animals are even moreso. Leave them be and, for the most part, they'll leave you alone. Enjoy observing them from a safe distance.
 
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