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Your Pet Peeves, in the general electric guitar design industry

Discussion in 'Bad Dog Cafe' started by MatsEriksson, Apr 11, 2021.

  1. loopfinding

    loopfinding Friend of Leo's

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    well I’m right handed and a piano is backwards from my mind’s wiring. I play fast passages with a lot of notes with my left fingers and blunt wrist movements with my right. and cross handed drumming is backwards too, don’t you know you emphasize the 2 and 4 with the dominant hand? /s

    but as far as the full range of the art, lefty and righty guitars are screwing everyone. there have been some studies about string players showing the dominant hand for fretting is advantageous. if anything, lefties should be playing righty guitars and righties should be playing lefty guitars.
     
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    I wasn’t even aware of it until I saw this thread, but the mere fact that GE is now meddling in electric guitar design is perplexing to me. The nerve!
     
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    Guitars that are super pointy.
     
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    Not enough cowbell.
     
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  5. El Tele Lobo

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    I wonder if it has to do with the added weight from the truss rod. I find telecasters with headstock adjust truss rods are heavier at the headstock and more prone to neck dive. Gibsons have headstock adjust truss rods, whereas Martin’s have the truss rod adjustment at the body inside the sound hole. That probably results in a considerable weight reduction at the headstock and a more balanced instrument overall.… Less likely to snap a headstock in a fall. My theory.
     
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    edvard Friend of Leo's

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    I have an Affinity Squier Strat that has the CBS headstock AND it has trussrod adjust at the headstock. No neck dive. Maybe because it's a Strat, and that extra reach from the upper horn...
     
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    My two peeves:
    - Conical strap buttons. They are harder to put the strap on than for the strap to slip off of. Either make rubber washers the standard, or use slightly larger diameter mushroom buttons.
    - Pickups are too damn expensive. Seriously, upwards from $200 for what should be a standard pickup? Nope. I know, everybody's gotta eat, but really? Are you winding it within in the vortex of a temporal spiral between two cross-polarity Flux Capacitors?

    As for other's peeves:
    - String Butler: I... don't hate it? Seems like they're trying to do to ALL non-straight-string-pull headstocks what the Moderne headstock does. I wouldn't buy one, but I wouldn't remove it from a headstock that came with one.
    - Wider nut: I too have fat carpenter finger tips, and I cannot do a full ringing Cmaj chord with a standard-width guitar nut to save my life. My next guitar will be built with a 7-string neck modded with a 6-string nut. Here's my theory on why the standard is so narrow: These new-fangled electrical geetars are built for two things - solos and power chords. Solos are quicker on a narrower neck, and power chords... well, if you have to ask...
    You want full-chord rhythm? Get an acoustic. Or a Gibson.
    - Jack on the pickguard: Right-angle plug. Problem solved, and is my preference.
     
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    You know what I find interesting, is that the St. Vincent guitar is full scale. Designed for women, but I can wrap my fingertips over my girlfriend’s if we line our palms up, and even I would not miss it if every guitar in the world was Gibson scale tomorrow. She borderline can’t play full scale- it’s extremely discouraging for her... My mustang is her favorite to play. At. Vincent likes what she likes, but I found it interesting that my girlfriend can’t play the guitar purportedly designed with her in mind.
     
  9. MatsEriksson

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    But yet there are different size models, and kids doesn't use full size violins when they start out. They do complain. And if you're grown up and plays a violin...well, there's viola too, and step up in size for cellos, and basses. I think there are at least three sizes of violins available.
     
  10. MatsEriksson

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    Not Bill Lawrence. There are numeruos methods you can buck hum without altering the final timbre of the tone, without infringing on patents. Leave the humming to cheapest Asian/chinese counterfeits and imports. Cheap where cheap should be at. Regular shielding of a strat teles cavitities are by no means proprietary, and no exclusive knowledge, and so are not shielded cables inside going from pickup to pots either. People pay huge amounts of extra money (now we're talking hundreds of dollars) for that special custom nitro-finish that dents as fast as you stare into it for a certain amount of time, but bickers if they pay 50 bucks for silent pickups. The nitro ones still hums like mad, but they still claims "oh, that tone...the hum sounds better with nitro finish".
     
  11. MatsEriksson

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    The neck isn't weak as such, it's rather the whole build. Agree, definitely the headstock angle but even moreso the whole tilt of the neck, the pitch vs body "ratio" so to speak.
    I e when you lay down a Les Paul on a table on it's back, the table touches the top of the headstocks back, before the body does. I had an L5S from the 70s that both had a volute, and no-pitch/tilt so when you laid it down on a table the body touched the wood first and all of the headstock still "hung" in the air.

    It's both this:
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    Plus this:
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    Plus:

    3. The total weight of the solid mahogany body which will give a severe lever effect, and a real whiplash effect due to that:
    4. The 17 degree angle of the headstock is way too sharp and exacerbates this snap/whiplash effect.
    5. A minimized 14 degree angle of the headstock would not mitigate the blow, at all, as you can see the 3mm of wood above that is solid and supposed to hold it up, just because of the tilt of the neck according to picture 1 above. The blow would turn just as severe. So, no matter if you had NO ANGLE on the headstock, it would hit the ground before the body did. Due to the tilt pitch relation of all of the neck, vs the body.

    It's all things combined that makes the neck weak, in the end. All things combined.

    So, in a manner of speaking, yes, weak necks due to overall design. 335s has this too, but a way lighter body, and doesn't suffer as much from broken headstocks, but yes, they do too, but not as much. Martin headstocks doesn't break off, because of the a) thicker body, it takes the first blow when falling down b) much much lighter in weight, no or little lever effect there.
     
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    I guess I’m too simple.

    There are features about certain models that I don’t like or wouldn’t choose, but 99% of what y’all are griping about is just personal preference, not an actual issue with a guitar.

    Oh well, I’m happy.
     
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  13. MatsEriksson

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    Well, I am not alone it seems. It was not about personal preferences as such, but it was that the industry and market (especially pickups) are overloaded with all these options, vintage specs, and taken from a special vintage select guitar that maybe was personal preference (i e all signature models), and there are maybe 2-300 different pickup manufacturers out there claiming this and that is a choice, and presents choices to us, all of these options can be had... but yet, really none of those I pointed out.

    That's perhaps the best thing with tradition and anything "standard" that there are so many "standards" to choose from? :twisted:;) I e all the same pickup manufacturers offers basically the same "options" as any other one, and no exclusives when it really comes to "personal preferences" of anything custom made. Reverse flying V? Well there are other options, for us to choose. All of them are not like that.
     
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    Once again, all of these things have been done and ARE done. But most guitarists don't buy guitars with these features, so the manufacturers keep making the guitars people want to buy, "faults" and all. It's not a design contest, it's capitalism at work, demand creates supply.

    One of the reasons Gibson had such a hard time before the bankruptcy is that they kept insisting on trying "innovative" things like robot tuners, wide zero fret nuts, and so on, which almost nobody wanted. They recently went back to mostly making nice old fashioned Les Pauls, and business is booming. Epiphone's big new product is a made in USA Casino reissue for $2600, I'll bet they can't sell them fast enough. Active pickups have been around for decades now, but people rarely choose them.

    There is a certain irony that the largest internet forum for guitars, that you chose to use in order to complain about these flaws, is specifically devoted to the Telecaster...:)
     
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    My hum disappears the moment the band kicks in. Hum-cancelling ‘P90s’ are not P90s.
     
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    My Gibson has never suffered from broken headstock. I take care of it.
     
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    Exactly. This discussion popped up recently, so I Googled it. A few incidents have turned into into folklore. The reason: people are careless. The solution? Don't drop the damn thing!! I've had three, and never had anything happen to them. There are countless numbers of LP's for sale on Reverb, Craigslist, Kijiji, eBay, etc., that are decades old. Somehow they made it this far. There's plenty of "meat" on the neck for those of us who aren't careless enough to drop it, kick it, or knock it over.
     
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    I’m a klutz with polyneuropathy to boot. Somehow, I get my Gibson to and from the case, enjoy it at jams or gigs, and it remains intact. If that’s what’s keeping someone from owning one, I don’t get it. Do they bash around all their guitars?
     
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    I have an Ibanez 2630 (ES335 shape guitar) with a side-mounted jack, and, when playing while seated, the cable plug is in an uncomfortable position. I can see why top-mounted jacks were used.
     
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    This is a purely aesthetic issue for me, and thus highly subjective: RIB CUTS ON TELES.

    To me a rib cut on a Tele style guitar is just the dumbest, “let’s please everybody” move there is. It’s like trying to make a minivan/sports car. Either embrace the sports car, or embrace the freaking minivan. Poop or get off the pot.

    A big part of the beauty of the T guitar (again, to me) is that symmetrical slab cut. Just as much as the contours on the Strat make IT beautiful. When I tried out an American Elite Tele in a shop a while back, I loved the neck, I loved the frets, I loved the pups — but looking down at the rib cut it looked like someone had taken a perfectly good Tele and squashed it on one side.

    I would buy a new American Ultra Tele in cobra blue w that roasted maple neck in a HEARTBEAT if not for the accursed rib cut. The rib cut should be an option for those who want it, not compulsory. I would bet a few keystrokes in a CNC machine are easy enough to change.

    My two incredibly subjective cents. :)
     
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