Wishbone Ash The First Shred Rock Band?

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  1. Texicaster

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    ¡Bueno!

    I've had Argus on all morning. The expanded version has a great live from 1972 Phoenix that is pretty danged shreddy!

    I can't recall any other releases or bands that were jamming like that back in the early 1970's... Sure lots of blues based extended solos and pretty fast stuff but my gosh Andy Powell is lettin' her rip on this one!

    If I had to guess Wishbone Ash was the first to wail pure guitar pyrotechnics in this fashion... but I've been wrong before...

    Expanded version of Argus HIGHLY recommended!



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    Alvin Lee of Ten Years After, 1968, "Going Home." Was praised at the time for being the fastest player alive. Speed for speed's sake -- the paradigm of shred, before there was "shard."
     
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    That came to mind but AL a dyed in the wool bluesman.....

    Fast forward the Phoenix track to ~8:30 mark
     
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    They did capture my little teen ears for a while. They were not in the box.
     
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    I still listen to them. Last month I went to see them in concert. It was a blast and I even wrote a review, HERE. Interestingly, Andy said of "Phoenix," "We are sill writing this song today." :D

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    I think that Ritchie Blackmore is the original rock shreder.

    They were jazz guitarist that surpasses any rock players of the era, but thats another subject.
     
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    I was a huge WA fan in my youth.
    Great stuff.
    Andy and Ted’s guitar playing and contrasting tones really served the smart songs well.
    Martin and Steve were a skintight rhythm section.
    The guitar and vocal harmonies were seamless.
    When Ted left, Laurie Wisefield filled his shoes admirably.
    I would suggest they had more in common with the Allman Brothers than shredders.
    Andy’s early playing was very soulful and bluesy, Ted’s was crystalline and beautiful.
    They shoulda been mega stars, I tell ya’!
     
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    I'd say they were kinda protypical Iron Maiden before I'd call them shred.

    I know lots probably don't differentiate...
     
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    Argus is a great album, as were most Ash recordings. Seen them live a few times and the harmonic dual leads are a real treat.
     
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    Jimmy Page on Good Times, Bad Times, and Communication Breakdown is quite shreddy.
     
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    Mr Schenker was kind of a shredder also .
     
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    I just about wore out my copy of Live Dates back in the seventies.....
    As to your assertion.....I'd also have to go with Richie Blackmore.......
     
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    They sure were sick, thats for sure.
     
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    Yea Blackmore for sure but Deep Purple wasn't so much shred band (not that WA was either per se!). But Blackmore certainly brought the classic gothic influence to the genre.

    There were lots of blues based bands that stretched it out but Page et al kept at least one foot firmly planted in the blues. Even Blackmore seemed to have that heavy Marshall blues tone as an under current at least.

    Yea! I've been going through a phase of buying all my favorites from when I was in HS. I'd only heard Argus and a bunch of others on a cheap stereo and now that I have a half way decent system it's fun to hear more as intended. Man I tho0ught a lot of stuff was great back then but now it's so cool to hear all the subtleties and separation of instruments! And mom not hollerin' to turn it down! :D

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    Interesting story behind Ritchie and Andy. Andy tells the story of opening for Deep Purple. Says Ritchie was warming up and Andy was checking his gear at the same time. Being a bit cheeky, Andy decided to echo each of the licks Ritchie played. When he was finished with soundcheck, Ritchie dropped by, said he was impressed, and asked if they had an album contract. Andy said, "No." Ritchie introduced them to Derek Lawrence who had produced their hit, "Hush," who introduced them to Don Shane, head of Decca, and they were off. Item (4) HERE.

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    By the way, Andy still has his original '67 Flying V (pictured above around early '73) and plays it on some Northeastern U.S. dates.

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    Fully agree, but sadly, bad management (especially in the early days with Laurie) put paid to that.
     
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    Great Stuff! 'Argus' made me pick up the guitar in the first place. Seen them 11 times!
     
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    Lots of good examples above, but I think that the first "shredder" music, as we know it, likely came after Van Halen's first album. I know there were hotshot guitarists before then. Steve Vai, one of the most famous of the "shredder" variety, considered the solo in LZ's "Heartbreaker" his big influence, so I guess that could be considered shredding. But as far as the style of shredding that we all know and love (or hate), my guess is that it came after Van Halen I.

    Interesting - now I'm wondering who it was and what album it was. There certainly has to be a "first" in this category.
     
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