Win7 Support Ends Today

Discussion in 'Bad Dog Cafe' started by Alamo, Jan 13, 2015.

  1. Jon C

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    Your last point is interesting. I ditched my PC 5 yrs ago but have to run a VM on my Mac for a couple of programs. Still running Win7 and I hate the thought of spending one second more than needed on Win related tasks but it sounds like I may not be looking set abyss of hell if I go to Win 8 via Parallels?

    I don't miss Windows at all but still must run a couple critical apps on it so ...

    I realize I'll have to update at some point probably not too far away....
     
  2. J-man

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    I'm on a desktop, so I'm pretty sure it does.. Unless W8 can somehow run without power. :D
     
  3. Guitarzan

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    "Development" should mean making it better. Microsoft does not live up to that in the eyes of many if not most, with Vista and Winders 8 being Exhibits A and B.

    As far as the typical user is concerned about needs for word processing, spreadsheets, presentation, and photo and video use and editing, operating systems hit a plateau some time ago. Now it is about shiny objects to overstate and create bugs.
     
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    Disagree completely.

    The vast majorirty of people condemning 8/Vista that I've encountered have obviously made little to no effort to learn them before making up their minds.. If I were a betting man, I'd bet that a fairly large percentage of those people have actually never used either for more than a few minutes, if at all!

    As for OS's plateuing.. That's far from true either! The important changes are just frequently the ones that people don't notice, like security improvements.
     
  5. Gautfrid

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    XP was their best ever effort at an OS, 7 was excellent too. 8 not so much, and by the time 8.1 was released the damage was done. 8.1 is OKish.

    We'll have to see what 10 brings.
     
  6. geoff_in_nc

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    Haven't played with 8.x. Was on XP for a number of years and a number of systems - generally worked fine. On 7 now as the corporate rollout workstation. Works well. I honestly don't see a great deal of difference between 7 and XP other than the graphics are a bit prettier and it boots a little faster. In reality there are a few changes... so what.... accept and move forward.

    My issues with both OSes were generally driven by 3rd party software. (Full disk encryption anyone? sheesh, what a resource hog.)

    My son is playing with the Win 10 beta now on his macbook pro (I think via bootcamp). He seems to like it pretty well, although I don't have a full rundown from him yet (too busy at college to talk to old dad... haha).
     
  7. Nick JD

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    I like how the laptop I'm using at the moment asks me to "tap here".

    No matter how hard I tap the screen it doesn't work.

    8.1 ... you are ****. Nothing to do with the user, just a REALLY BAD OS. How hard would it be for MS to query the device specs and tailor the install? Not very.

    I run a shell on it to get it working like W7. All the "Apps" stuff is terrible.

    If you hate your 8: http://www.classicshell.net/
     
  8. imwjl

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    Some here need to make sure they are at the latest version, and sit through some of the great tutorials. Know to have the desktop icon in upper left and programs pinned to the task bar just like a Mac with items on the dock. Oops, Getbent already touched on rational and logic. :)
     
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    Yeah, that's cleared things up.

    Cheers.

    :p
     
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    You hit the nail on the head with the above statement.

    Just wanted to add, nothing was wrong with Vista, just the most hardware was to slow to run the OS.

    8 and now 8.1 is much faster and take full advantages of your hardware especially your GPU.
     
  11. imwjl

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    Note the corrected (not using Swype keyboard) version.

    For anyone sincere honestly wanting help, search the resources Microsoft has published for business users getting used to Windows 8. I think they're helpful for any user.

    The point of the desktop icon in upper left is hitting the CR key (aka enter, return) will always get you back to the desktop style most people know.
     
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    My old pirate Vista machine is running like a truck.... just a bit slow on the boot these days...

    my W7/Linux box hardly gets plugged in..... ;)

    not sure where I'll go next?....
     
  13. Elmore

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    I do a lot of secure file transfers. That gets really fun with security updates. To fight the poodle vulnerability, many servers disabled SSL 3.0 which meant your client had to have TLS 1.1 or TLS 1.2 to be able to logon. Oh yeah, Windows 2003 and Windows 2008 SP2 won't do TLS 1.1 and TLS 1.2. Surprise, Surprise! You have to upgrade by tomorrow! Man, the constant upgrades get old. There must be a better way.
     
  14. BartS

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    I spent plenty of time learning and using vista. I would like to think I'm not a complete moron. I mean some days are better than others but for the life of me there was absolutely no way of making windows vista a reliable, easy to use, hassle free, pleasant computing experience. I haven't used 7 than much but to me it was worse than vista.

    Linux i don't have this problem. I know sometimes it takes a bit to get the oddball thing to work or it use to. On 14.04 I have maybe spent an hour or two on stuff total not counting installing the operating system for the entire life of the system doing stuff. I know on windows I would of spent at least that amount of time clearing all the pre installed bull on there. Then over the life of the computer maybe 12-20 hours dealing with viruses. Installing programs that should pretty much install themselves maybe 30-100 hours over the live of the computer. Thats not for advanced stuff like recording music. That's just basic computing.

    I literally can install a fully function linux distro with a full recording suite of software like 200 different music programs faster than I can deal with all the pre-installed crud and setting a new windows computer up. Thats just to get a windows computer to surf the web at a speed that's still slow.

    I'm typing this on a laptop with an amd turion processor which is such an old processor out of date processor that dinosaurs mock it. and it was a bottom of the line processor when I bought it. Linux still woks fine on here. I haven't reinstalled the os or anything. This install is like two years old with nothing done to it but put a bunch of recording software on it. If I was using windows on this computer right now it would be so bad It would just be unusable. Most people would of thrown this computer out thinking there was something wrong with the hardware or the OS and it was just unfixable if this was a windows machine.

    I know it could be me sometimes I'm not the sharpest knife in the drawer. I just don't see how people can use a windows computer or how someone one could make a statement like it's not windows vista, or 7, or 8 Its just you didn't spend the time learning to use it right. I have been using computers about as long as I could read and have used some funky old computers in my day and mastered dos probably somewhere between the age 10 and 12. So It's hard for me to believe that It's me not being able to use a windows operating system right.
     
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    I did one thing that made my Windows web surfing 100% better. I started using the free program Sandboxie. I run Internet Explorer in a virtual environment, or sandbox. At the end of the session, I just empty the sandbox. Nothing gets installed on my Windows laptop just by browsing the web. It has made all the difference.
     
  16. imwjl

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    It's doubtful we can help those who mostly want to complain or what is like provincialism or tribal behavior. How about start your I love __ threads elsewhere, be kind to the moderators, and use this spot to assist people who must make a transition or who are having problems with the transition.

    For those not so happy or interested in doing better with the new environment I'll offer this start.

    http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/tutorial

    Some time with this one might help people and the understanding that "desktop" icon in upper left of the start screen means hitting your CR (enter) key always gets you back.

    http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-8/desktop-tutorial

    For those starting a move or facing a move from Vista or 7 look up and get familiar with the built in tools for transferring your profile to a different system. Consider knowing that tool regardless use it to have a minimal backup of all your settings and personal data if you keep that in the default areas.

    :)
     
  17. Ironwolf

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    I can install Windows 7 or Windows 8, including Office 2013 Pro, Military Grade anti-virus, install my printers, scanners and secondary photography programs and music programs and have everything connected to the network and through to the outside world in under 3 hours. Setting up a 2008R2 or 2012R2 server takes marginally longer, due to the time to configure the various network services. I haven't had to do anything manually with a virus on any system in my domain in years.

    Maybe it has to do with mindset.
     
  18. rcole_sooner

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    Windows 8 was the fastest OS install ... and setup I have ever done.

    I did choose to use the Microsoft login feature ... so maybe that helped.

    But the 2nd machine I setup was installed (from scratch) and setup just like my other machine in under an hour ... maybe about 1/2 hour.

    Probably a few more updates to down load now ... over a year later ... but still that is quick.

    I've have had my Chrome browser linked for a while, and now I love the sync'ed Windows thing. Make changes on one desktop and bang it is in on the other desktop. Nice!
     
  19. Skully

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    I think there's a big difference between Vista and Windows 8. Vista was a crappy, buggy piece of coding. Windows 8 is badly designed.

    I got to know Windows 8, but it's still a counter-intuitive pain in the ass to use in a desktop environment. Why do I have to drag to close a program? Why should I have to move my cursor around the lower right corner trying to open the (jumbled) start menu? Etc., etc.

    It looks like they've corrected their mistakes with Windows 10, giving users the best of the 7 and 8 desktop environments.
     
  20. rcole_sooner

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    I never had trouble with Vista either. I agree with who ever said, above, that it was just a little ahead of the hardware. I guess I had good hardware and never had any trouble. I think I still have one old laptop still running it. I forget as it so closely resembles Windows 7.

    Windows 8 is just too pushy with the touch screen stuff. Too much, too soon. Get it out of the way, and the OS is really good.
     
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