Will Retailers Be Able To Unload Their Clipped Headstock Epiphones?

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    seriously, if they can do a ES-295 with new headstock and Bigsby for $795, I'm there.
     
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    It's about time Epi did this, but too late for me. I already have three and not swapping my fugly headstocked guitars just because the new headstocks are much prettier. All here are fantastic guitars for the buck. Just glad to see the change for Epiphone to continue their success.
     
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    I have to agree, and to this end, I wouldn't buy an Epi for any other reason than as a great playing guitar. In my mind, the ship has sailed on any type of collectibility or other vanity once you are looking at asian import Epiphones and Squires. You've already conceded at that point that you are ok with playing a lower tier budget instrument. Maybe that's a badge of honor to some. It is what it is.
     
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    I already have 12 Epis of various types. I haven't seen any new models that I want.
     
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    If this means a big discount on the LP Traditional Pro III, I'll get one :cool:
     
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    You'd think based on this thread that Gibson put their headstock with Epiphone branding on the Epiphone models ... if so you did not look close enough! The Epiphone headstock is not the same shape as Gibson. It looks more like open cheeks than the Gibson open book. Other than the clipped corners, the old Epiphone headstock was closer to Gibson than the new one.

    The cheapest new Epiphone announced looks like $400. The "Specials" and "SL" are not among the new line. So Epiphone has abandoned the low priced starter market. In one way it's a good brand move but in another that's a huge hole that another enterprising company will quickly fill.

    If you consider tires ... most replacement tires are bought from the same as the car shipped from the factory with "oh, give me those as the last ones were ok". A kid who starts on a cheap Fender(Squier) may just decide to keep with Fender when they upgrade to MIM and MIA...

    So it will be interesting to see where the Epiphone re-branding program takes them.

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    I know im in the minority but I really liked the old Epiphone headstock and really dont like the new one.

    However, neither are a concern for me when buying a guitar, if it play right, sounds right, I dont give shizen what the headstock looks like (hence why a 2015 LP Standard :) ).....within reason anyway, that first, 3 a side Fender was just plain awful! :)

    Unless it plays or sounds dull like the old ones, the new Uptown Kat is coming home. Although the colour is yet to be decided.
     
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    Yeah, like 30 years later.

    So far, only one type of headstock is fairly common.
     
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    In my opinion, the problem with imported Epiphone guitars has been:
    1) the thick plastic finish they put on them. It almost looks like a plastic coating
    2) the thin veneer tops instead of a cap
    3) the cheap wiring, pots, switches and pickups
    4) the big 50s era necks on most of their Les Paul models
    I also don't care for the long headstocks on some of the models.

    People like Epiphones because they are a cheap alternative to Gibson. But they are not the same guitars in my opinion.
    If the person decides they don't like the Epiphone and tries to sell it used, good luck. You will have to sell it for next to nothing.

    The OP asked for opinions, so I offered mine. Not looking to argue. People should play what they like and can afford.

    Regarding the question in the OP:
    "Will Retailers Be Able To Unload Their Clipped Headstock Epiphones?"
    I think last years models are usually discounted by many manufacturers. I don't see why they would have a problem selling them at a discount. I'm sure the "New and Improved Version" will come at a higher price, making the potential customer wonder if the difference is worth the cost.
     
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    No one thinks that, a lit of people think it's a better look and that along with the other upgrades to the line may make it hard for retailers to move the old stock without making deep discounts.
     
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    Maybe... maybe not...

    Epiphone Quietly Unveils Made-In-USA Casino

    "Well, one thing everyone can get behind is a high-quality, US-made Epiphone Casino—which Gibson has quietly unveiled at its booth at the NAMM 2020 show. Two Made-In-USA Casinos are on display right next to the Texans, one sporting a classy Vintage Burst finish and the other in a Royal Tan. But that's all the available info right now. From what it sounds like from Gibson booth workers, these are brand-new models that almost didn't make it to NAMM on time, so more details such as pricing and availability very much remain to be seen."
     
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    I think they were on sale not too long ago. Still less than the new 50s and 60s standards. BUT, the new standards have full maple caps (according to the epiphone site, that is), probuckers, and updated electronics. Call and get the discount. Not a bad deal considering. AND they look better.

    https://www.musiciansfriend.com/gui...ar?rNtt=epiphone les paul traditional&index=1

    vs.

    https://www.musiciansfriend.com/guitars/epiphone-les-paul-standard-50s-electric-guitar
     
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    Unless you are referring to the the bolt-ons only, Specials ARE part of the new line (the TV yellow special is the one I'm purchasing). The headstock change is to a VINTAGE "kalamazoo" style that Epiphone has been using here and there since the 60s. It doesn't look just like Gibson. It looks more Gibson-esque to many. It just looks better to most.

    Epiphone already does have to compete with all the other uber-cheap Asian imports now (Harley Benton, Monoprice, etc...). Leave the beginner guitars to them. The inspired by Gib Epiphones look to be just better all around, IMO.
     
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    Never in my life of playing guitar have I heard any Epiphone owners talk about wanting a shorter headstock or Gibson style font. What I have heard many Epiphone owners say in the past is that the stock pickups are crap and must be upgraded, and I have agreed. So it's good that Epiphone is upgrading the pickups. And cheapo pots are prone to fail, so CTS pots is a good thing. But what matters much more than either of those things, which can't be upgraded by the user, is the neck profile. And neck profile and fret work quality has always been an issue that I have heard about from Epiphone owners, as well as experienced myself. And with modern CNC machined guitars, there is zero excuse for crappy neck profiles today. Might need some light fret fret work to make it the best it can be? Sure. That is hand work. But a crappy profile? No excuse for that. Same goes for Fender's less expensive offerings.
     
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    I may have said this before, so please forgive me. But if I could build guitars as nice as the ones that you build, no way would I consider an Epiphone.
     
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    Got an epi pen
     
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    Yeah, I have never "got" the whole dilemma. You want a Gibson headstock? Buy a Gibson. OTOH, I guess I do like the earlier Korean Epi headstocks with the inlaid tree of life on them!
     
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    A lot of people (myself) included just didn't like the look, just like a lot of people don't like the larger strat headstock. The new more Gibson-esque one looks a lot better to me, but I have had plenty with the old style as well. So now with the actual upgrades and the new headstock, Epiphone is enetering into a new era and a lot of people seem pretty excited about it.
     
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