Will Fender "Tonemaster" the lineup in 2020...?

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  1. reckless toboggan

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    I see a 40 year, forced-obsalessence, purely profit driven arc for the big F...a la vinyl records, CDs, streaming, and back to vinyl records.

    Because making everybody buy the "new and improved digital sound technology!" 4 or 5 times over is the only "innovation" left, and companies that make simple, quality washing machines that run reliably for 35 years go out of business.
     
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    Fender didn't add any of that stuff to the Tonemasters because they didn't have to.

    As to which ones they'll make next? That's easy - what are the top-selling tube-based models? That's what you can expect to see, would be my guess.
     
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    I would predict a '59 Bassman and a 5e3. I guess my preference would be something in the Tweed Pro / Super category though. Big bottle Twin but not a 4x10. Having the power scaling on a Deluxe sort of makes the smaller amps less appealing, doesn't it?
     
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    So Blues Junior and Blues/Hotrod Deluxe versions. That's the natural conclusion.
     
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    I see the TM Deluxe and TM Twin as 1X12" and 2X12" platforms that can be revoiced on any small tube combo by overwriting the internal modeling firmware via it's USB port.
    IMO the new evolution of the Tone Master line could be adding a nice CLEAN 1X15" extended range 200W neodymium speaker (500W class-D power amp) Bassman - closed enclosure, ported baffle as this old model:
    FENDER BASSMAN COMPACT 1X15 COMBO
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    I would predict a Fender Tone Master 400 PS with a power scaling from 475 to 0,1 watts ;-)
     

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    If that is Your desire perhaps You should be looking at the Roland Cube Artist 212 instead of a TM Twin.
    Doing all those things renders the exercise as a non-starter.
    People who play or have played Twin Reverbs/Dual Showman TFL5000D 80 watt Fenders want the exact
    thing - not something with new bells & whistles.
    I believe the Roland Blues Cube Artist 212 to be exactly what your heart desires because that has the modern contrivances you desire in your quest.
    The Twin Reverb TM is for those who seek Fender Tradition.
     
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    I think it will solely depend on the market success of the two tonemaster models they have so far. They did clone two of their most popular offerings.
     
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    The Super reverb is hangin' in there because it's a great amp. It's from a different era and contrary to the needs of an aging population.

    Small lightweight amps are the wave of the future.

    From a reverse engineering standpoint, Fender probably went with the Deluxe Reverb because the Deluxe Reverb model was good to go. Combine that with a '65 Deluxe Reverb cabinet and faceplate, other parts that are grab 'n' go...

    Leo designed the 1960s lineup to be modular. They mostly shared the same AB763 circuit with or without reverb. That meant you could buy roughly the same amp at varying power levels (20, 40, 80 watts) with a variety of speaker configurations.

    The Princeton Reverb is sort of the odd man out.

    It's not a big stretch to stick the same Tonemaster guts in a Super Reverb or a Twin Reverb chassis. Fender already has the large parts in their bins.

    Awesome!

    I'll bet the marketing guys have this all worked out already. When Tonemaster sales start to slack off, roll out the much more capable Tonemaster II...

    Like I said, I can patch together a pseudo- Tonemaster using a Boss FDR-1 and a Powerblock with plenty of coin left over for an FBM-1.
     
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    I owned the Boss FDR-1 and tonally it was a turd.
     
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    Old guys argue in this thread.

    Young guys - with the money - buy Kemper.

    It’s all in there. And if it ain’t, you can add it.

    And it’s funny, somewhere early in a development meeting of this Tonemaster line, one or more Fender people had to bring up the growing pile of old heavy 40 watt and up Fender tube amps on Craigslists across the country.

    “You, you , and you - Find out why that is and how we can make money from it!”
     
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    I'd be in for a Champ as well!
     
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    Champ model would be a killer addition
     
  15. Mike Eskimo

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    Wait - what? Why a champ? Just asking...
     
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    I live in an apartment so even 5W is WAY too loud for me to get any kind of break up going. If I could turn it down to 0.5W it would be great. I totally understand they will never build a Tonemaster Champ though.
     
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    Tone Master Headphones. Wireless connection from your guitar or pedalboard to the headphones.
     
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    How about a Princeton with power scaling from 1 to 50 watts.
     
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    Fender has been producing SS amps for a long time. I have a Roc Pro 1000 head and an original Roland Cube 30. These amps are old survivors that are valued at $200.00 for the lot. Totally, disposable.

    The Tonemaster series, are also disposable but way more expensive to procure. Only, time will tell, if they are a success.

    Fender lost me, at firmware. The rural wifi is not robust and crashes frequently. Not sure, how a wifi crash would effect the upload in process and playability of the amp afterwards. I would think that this feature is a liability.

    YMMV
     
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    If it's that bad, how did you post this?

    Any decent application disregards incomplete downloads. Nothing to worry about.
     
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