Wide ranging humbuckers?

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  1. a.francis.1968

    a.francis.1968 TDPRI Member

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    I love the sound of those 70s wide range humbuckers, with today's technology you can buy a spot on clone of all the other Fender pickups 58's, 64's,52's etc why has the humble humbucker never been given a fair hearing by Fender? Those modern versions just don't sound right, I'm not saying they are bad, just you can get any other vintage pickup that sounds correct but not those?
     
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    Obsolete magnets. Open the wallet really wide and there are options available.
     
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    A couple of recent threads about this but basically any of the newer ones are just a regular humbucker in a WRHB case.
     
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    there are commercial businesses than can roll what you want, many boutiques and some major businesses like Seymour Duncan, don't know if any supply the three north three south screws on the cover
     
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    The Creamery in the UK does a great one by all accounts
     
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    haha I bought 3 vintage ones a while ago to make the greatest guitar fender never made. Most people have been telling me it wont work. Evidently, Fender beat me to it. I'd like to see how it sounds with a different wiring.
     
  8. MilwMark

    MilwMark Doctor of Teleocity Ad Free Member

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    I'm not aware of anyone who uses the right threaded magnets.

    I've read threaded magnets of that composition simply are not available or at least are not cost-effective to make.

    I have one old '69 Tele that someone turned into a sorta Deluxe with two vintage Wide Ranges.

    I also have a beat up old '73 Custom. total player grade, not collector. That has a '73 Wide Range in the neck.

    Those pickups are flat-out magic.

    I have a '72 AV reissue that I put a boutique repro in. I think it uses threaded A5. It's the closest I've heard. And it's better than the best standard hum buckers I've tried (tie between Gibson Custombuckers and Duncan Antiquities). But it's not quite the same as the magical vintage ones.
     
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    Rich724 Tele-Meister

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    I put in a pair from Monotone. I'm happy with them. Check out their vid on YouTube.
     
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    I know this doesn't help, but I recently scored a '74 Custom, and it's kinda the only guitar I want to play now.
    BTW...I don't have any right now, but the much-maligned Gretschbuckers have 2 rows of pole screws. Adjusting them to mimic a WRHB yields some very cool twangy tones.
    I'd like to compare one to a WRHB sometime.
     
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    MilwMark Doctor of Teleocity Ad Free Member

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    @charlie chitlin - my '73 is beat-to-**** but I love it. And that makes me not leery of playing it out in tiny stages we frequent. I am pondering putting a Duncan Hot Stack in place of the vintage single coil for better output balance without having to rely on the volume knobs for that purpose. I like having balanced output with both on 10 and then using the knobs a lot to control level and tone in real time.
     
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    charlie chitlin Doctor of Teleocity Silver Supporter

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    Mine is actually in excellent shape...but it gets gigged anyway.
    It's not like it's a Gibson, or something :p
     
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    Here's the important update on these new "Wide Range Humbuckers" ... and backed up by actual disassembly.

    The original Wide Range Humbuckers (as found in say ... a '72 Thinline Telecaster) were made not like the PAF style (which serves as the common model construction even today) at all. They sound completely different as a result of their different physical construction/design, to the more common PAF style humbuckers, be they closed or open. The bobbins were different in shape (length to width to depth) and the magnets were different in shape and the coil was different in shape.

    The new or "reissued" Wide Range Humbuckers are totally conventional in construction, and similar to the PAF or any number of designs from any number of manufacturers who make twin coil humbuckers that owe their basic design/construction to the PAF. Fender made the covers with their 3 and 3 polepiece layout (3 for each coil flipped and reversed to each other) just to LOOK like the originals (mimic them aesthetically) but their construction is nothing like the originals, and they do not sound or respond dynamically like them.
     
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    A Seymour Duncan 59 covers a wide range hehe
     
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    The Seymour Duncan Custom Shop builds 1:1 clones of the original WRH.
     
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    They use Alnico V. Threaded. But not CuNiFe.
     
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    I think I may need one of those.
     
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    I have one. It sounds great... BUT, it doesn’t use the original magnet types.



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    Outside of the originals, telenator was the only builder of WRHB's using cunife. SD does not. Many are trying to copy one using available mag types.
     
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    I've got a creamery one and it sounds really good- not like the originals though. I actually found the originals to be really loud and bright but its a unique type of sound
     
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