1. Win a Broadcaster or one of 3 Teles! The annual Supporting Member Giveaway is on. To enter Click Here. To see all the prizes and full details Click Here. To view the thread about the giveaway Click Here.

Why new artists get on my nerves...

Discussion in 'Bad Dog Cafe' started by Cadillac_Mike, Jan 23, 2021.

  1. Texicaster

    Texicaster Friend of Leo's

    Posts:
    2,115
    Joined:
    May 9, 2018
    Location:
    It Varies.....
     
    NoTeleBob and superjam144 like this.
  2. superjam144

    superjam144 Tele-Afflicted

    Age:
    32
    Posts:
    1,083
    Joined:
    Jan 19, 2020
    Location:
    EMPIRE STATE
    Weird Al of the 70s? :p
     
    SRHmusic and Texicaster like this.
  3. Cadillac_Mike

    Cadillac_Mike Tele-Meister

    Age:
    32
    Posts:
    367
    Joined:
    Jan 14, 2021
    Location:
    River Falls, WI
    For me, it doesn't come down to "better or worse" per se just a fresh take. This didn't have that, just the exact same song with Miley on vocals.
     
    superjam144 likes this.
  4. Cadillac_Mike

    Cadillac_Mike Tele-Meister

    Age:
    32
    Posts:
    367
    Joined:
    Jan 14, 2021
    Location:
    River Falls, WI
    You can tell he means business on that album cover lol.
     
    CJM3309 and suave eddie like this.
  5. Stanford Guitar

    Stanford Guitar Tele-Afflicted

    Posts:
    1,562
    Joined:
    Feb 11, 2020
    Location:
    USA
    Malcolm Gladwell does an amazing podcast on Revisionist History about the significance of this album. Highly recommend checking it out.
     
    suave eddie likes this.
  6. 1955

    1955 Doctor of Teleocity

    Posts:
    10,782
    Joined:
    Apr 10, 2010
    Location:
    .
    I watched it.

    The cultural baggage of her personae warrant little discussion at this point, hovering somewhere between calculation and inspiration. The same could be said for myself.

    She is belting the verse melody here, but it’s above her range and it is noticeable. This does add an element of stylistic interpretation, though, because she just tosses the falsetto off of the table from the get-go.

    From my experience, on-stage monitoring can play an integral part in vocal delivery. Also, damaged vocal chords can make falsetto unpredictable, so I avoided it after ragged years of gigs.

    The instrumentation is close to the original, no foul from me.

    I was relieved that at least the performance was straightforward without twerking or some other distraction technique. She looked a little like Sharon Stone in Casino.

    I did get to see Blondie live many years ago and had a place close enough to the stage.

    Debbie Harry said a lot with her eyes, and her charisma was unmistakeable, yet playful. There was a tough attitude combined with nuanced femininity that was the epitome of cool.

    Blondie encapsulates a specific feeling and period of time. Those who lived through it might be a little put off by this performance, because it seems introverted, angry, and doesn’t seem to want connection.

    Part of Debbie Harry’s mystique was an element of numb aloofness, but she knew who was watching her. She wasn’t going to brashly pull our memories off the rack just to wear them for the evening without hanging them back up nice and neat.

    MC has her strengths, no doubt. I didn’t see her specific performance here as derivative, but tackling a Debby Harry Blondie cover is no small feat and requires a certain breadth of historical and interpersonal understanding to summon.
     
    SRHmusic, micpoc, 61fury and 6 others like this.
  7. 24 track

    24 track Doctor of Teleocity Ad Free Member

    Posts:
    17,465
    Joined:
    Nov 6, 2014
    Location:
    kamloops bc
    I for one am really scepticle of second party covers of popular tunes , if I want to hear it I'll put on the original, which moved me in the begining , there's nothing worse than listening to a song butcher kill a great tune, I dislike covers, just because bobby Pimplebutt does all of petula Clarkes favorite hits does not make a good rendition .......

    JMHO
     
    1955 and drewg like this.
  8. Cadillac_Mike

    Cadillac_Mike Tele-Meister

    Age:
    32
    Posts:
    367
    Joined:
    Jan 14, 2021
    Location:
    River Falls, WI
    Wow, kudos to you! I just feel like the strength of the original vocals are how they effortlessly "shimmer" over a dense mix. Although Miley hit all the right notes she has to strain to hit them and it doesn't add anything positive to the song at all.
     
    SRHmusic, superjam144 and 1955 like this.
  9. srblue5

    srblue5 Tele-Holic

    Posts:
    540
    Joined:
    Oct 12, 2020
    Location:
    Alberta
    I’d say this is fairly different from the original. I think? :lol:
     
    61fury, Grandy and Asmith like this.
  10. superjam144

    superjam144 Tele-Afflicted

    Age:
    32
    Posts:
    1,083
    Joined:
    Jan 19, 2020
    Location:
    EMPIRE STATE
    She's a total nut, but immensely talented. Like has been stated, they should have tuned down for her, or transposed it to a better key for her voice.

    She's got serious chops from years in the biz.
     
  11. MilwMark

    MilwMark Doctor of Teleocity Ad Free Member

    Posts:
    12,523
    Joined:
    Apr 29, 2013
    Location:
    near Arnold's
    As ever. Folks should share their own work, then comment on others.

    More substantively, what do you want? It’s a cover. She has a different voice and band. So they come across differently. In particular her cadence is quite different.

    Also, ironic, as one of Blondie’s big hits is a pretty faithful Nerves cover.
     
    Last edited: Jan 24, 2021
  12. Lucius Paisley

    Lucius Paisley Tele-Afflicted

    Age:
    45
    Posts:
    1,035
    Joined:
    Mar 19, 2020
    Location:
    Sydney, Australia
    Years ago there was a television show called The Money Or The Gun on ABC in Australia (BBC counterpart, of sorts), one of its featured pieces was a cover of Stairway performed by a different guest performer on each episode.

    There's a full list here - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Money_or_the_Gun

    Some of them can still be found on YouTube, some of them are quite good.

    I think it's safe to say there's a version of Stairway for everybody, even if they don't like the original. Which I don't.

     
  13. Otis Fine

    Otis Fine Tele-Afflicted Silver Supporter

    Posts:
    1,309
    Joined:
    Jun 3, 2016
    Location:
    Chicago, Illinois
    I didn't personally like Miley's cover at all. Not because she's new, but because I don't think it's very good. If I'd never heard the original, which I genuinely DO love, I still doubt I would like this version.

    People have been covering songs since a second person played the sticks on a rock the same way the first person played sticks on a rock (Keith Richards). Most are blah. I like covers that don't sound like the originals, which is why I think you're better off covering a song that isn't great to begin with. I could be wrong. It happens often.
     
    SRHmusic likes this.
  14. ping-ping-clicka

    ping-ping-clicka Poster Extraordinaire Ad Free Member

    Age:
    72
    Posts:
    5,185
    Joined:
    Jun 28, 2019
    Location:
    left coast
    you think alot about stuff and the possible contradictions which I like, it appeals to me , but when somebody else does it I don't get it. That stuff is all in my mind, my opinions.
    When I not thinking This product is generated to create profit and applying this product is supposed to be a timeless piece of art , I get confused
    Andy Warhol said business is my art, art is my business
     
  15. getbent

    getbent Telefied Silver Supporter

    Posts:
    42,593
    Joined:
    Mar 2, 2006
    Location:
    San Benito County, California
    I have kind of mastered 'interested' when my kids or nieces and nephews turn me on to such things. I remember Linda Ronstadt having a big hit with 'Your No Good' and absolutely loving that whole record.... and then finding the original of 'Your No Good' and then remember Linda laughing about messing up Glenn Frey's 55 chevy because she couldn't change gears very easily (clutch was stiff) so, she drove home in first gear on the freeway, listening to a mixtape of songs for what would become that album... and I always appreciated that she chose great songs (not all very well known) and had hits with them.

    It is tough for artists in the rock and pop genre--> its all been done. How do you out do 'Tapestry'? (well, taylor swift kinda tried, but, without those songs, danny kortchmar and surfer boy on drums and either charlie Larkey or Lee Sklar hard to get that kind of continuity)

    Carving out niches is not the wild field it was even in Debbie's day... just remember (and I know you do) for them, for your little sister, it is cool and new and WOW... we saw it when it was new to us.... it is kind of an intriguing perspective to hear and see other people have the look and sound we had when we first went through that.
     
    StrangerNY likes this.
  16. cnlbb

    cnlbb Tele-Afflicted

    Posts:
    1,459
    Joined:
    Jun 19, 2014
    Location:
    Mars
    TDPRI needs ribbons, awards, or something to give out to the many users who jump on a brief personal experience to diagnose the core illness of the modern music industry and manage to fit it all into a short paragraph.
     
  17. radiocaster

    radiocaster Poster Extraordinaire

    Posts:
    8,435
    Joined:
    Aug 18, 2015
    Location:
    europe
    I'm tending to disagree on some points. There are a lot of covers done in an original way on youtube. Now that most are not worth listening to is another matter, and most are clickbait. Some bands have originals that are way better than their extremely popular uninspired cover, even if done differently from the original. Or some only do covers.

    I also disagree with "new artists" to mean "extremely popular artists", and only certain styles.

    What I mean by this is that I simply don't care to hear Smoke on the Water or Iron Man done with banjo and accordion, or sitar and tabla or whatever, no matter how much innovation or improvisation is there. You could even do an electronic or industrial version, I still don't think I'd care.

    It's just kitchy and not even that new of a phenomenon. There were countless Beatles covers in the 60s and 70s, some were good but many were not worth listening to, and I don't like the jazz versions either.

    And another annoying thing is that people tend to cover the most popular song by an artist, when there would be other songs which would make much better covers.
     
  18. koen

    koen Friend of Leo's

    Posts:
    3,837
    Joined:
    May 19, 2007
    Location:
    Home
    Blondie’s first hit was a cover lol :cool:
     
    MilwMark likes this.
  19. Lucius Paisley

    Lucius Paisley Tele-Afflicted

    Age:
    45
    Posts:
    1,035
    Joined:
    Mar 19, 2020
    Location:
    Sydney, Australia
    I don't think anybody could say that this song was ever popular...



    However...

     
  20. swervinbob

    swervinbob Tele-Afflicted

    Age:
    48
    Posts:
    1,694
    Joined:
    Jul 10, 2018
    Location:
    Texas
    She was on Rogan’s podcast recently. Though she is a train wreck, I like the fact that she knows she’s a train wreck and doesn’t try to hide it. She recently had surgery on her vocal chords and said she was just now learning how to take care of them. Something she was never taught when filming Hannah Montana and then sent out to tour extensively. I’m not a big fan, but at least she’s somewhat real. She said people write that her voice sounds like she was up all night smoking, and she laughs and says she was up all night smoking.
     
    StrangerNY likes this.
IMPORTANT: Treat everyone here with respect, no matter how difficult!
No sex, drug, political, religion or hate discussion permitted here.