Why I don't like Emerson's pre-wired kits

KokoTele

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Emerson sells some pretty snazzy looking prewired control kits for many different models, but in practice I've found that they're not all that incredible.

Here's the latest one I installed for a customer. (He brought the kit to me to install. If he hadn't, I would have just installed the components that I sell.)

This is the wire to the output jack, which broke off underneath the heat shrink they put over the lug on the volume pot. Was a bit of a bugger to troubleshoot because the heat shrink kept the wire in place to mostly make good contact, but if something got wiggled the right way contact would be broken. They use solid core wire in their builds. I assume that it's because it looks pretty and a very neat job can be done, but this application really needs stranded wire, at least for the leads to the output jack.

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Other nits... below is the image from their page. See that bare wire they use to ground the two pots? Looks neat. But they always solder it to the side of the pots, which makes the assembly too wide to fit in most control cavities. I always move it or replace it with a stranded wire. The fat cap (also unnecessary) means that there isn't enough room to just move the ground bar to the backs of the pots.

And the soldering, though neat looking, wasn't done at a high enough temperature for the solder to flow to all the connections properly. They're working now, but ultimately at least one will fail.

$90 for this neat looking mess. (Rant over :D)

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A year or so back, I was taken by the looks of their product and purchased one for my telecaster. Like KokoTele and Fenderbaum, my ground wire broke at the solder joint on the tone pot while installing the harness. The harness had a slight interference fit with the control cavity but no issue with the large capacitor. Also, my tone pot was defective but to Emerson's credit they sent me two replacement pots, but I really requested the whole harness be replaced. I repaired the harness and sold it on CL for a loss.
 

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I was at the local guitar shop looking at an Emerson tele pre-wired assembly just last night, I would never buy one, simply because I wire my own and I wouldn't pay the extra money, but I do think they look cool.

I noticed they don't jumper the switch like is typical practice, they I wonder if it's Because of the solid core wire.
 

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Hmm, I had the same problem with one of their four-way tele harnesses. I thought it was something stupid I’d done. I feel a lot better reading this!
 

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Interesting, that.

In the photos I thought the joints looked weird but couldn't place it. Like they weren't fully flowing when they set.

And the soldering, though neat looking, wasn't done at a high enough temperature for the solder to flow to all the connections properly.
 

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…comprised of middle-of-the-road parts.

"Middle of the road" usually implies mediocrity. The components they use are about as good as it gets. CTS pots with 5% tolerance, CRL switch, Switchcraft jack. The merits of their caps will be forever debated, but they aren't junk.

But they also aren't anything that any of us couldn't get anyway. When I first started the business, I entertained the idea of selling the exact same thing, but got stymied while looking for a good solderless connector solution. Soon after that I realized that Mojotone and others were starting to do this at a volume that I could never compete with, and there were no upgrades that would make a boutique version worthwhile.
 

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I have but one experience total with Emerson.

I bought a kit for my 52 tele that had the vintage wiring setup.

I examined the harness closely and it was immaculate to my eyes.

I installed it in about 15 minutes. No problems and it brought new life to my 52.

Yeah it’s a pricey kit for what it is. In my case it was all good.
 
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But they also aren't anything that any of us couldn't get anyway.

They must have stepped up their game over the last few years. But yeah, you pay a lot extra for the assembly.

Some of the best miniature connectors I've found are those used in the R/C plane-car-boat hobby. They are very small (light in weight) and very high quality because a poorly-made connector being the cause of a crash that costs thousands of pesos es no bueno.
 

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I bought this one from 920D for my pinecaster project, very nice quality stuff, fits well and for the price of all the parts individually, I feel it's a good deal.
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Some of the best miniature connectors I've found are those used in the R/C plane-car-boat hobby. They are very small (light in weight) and very high quality because a poorly-made connector being the cause of a crash that costs thousands of pesos es no bueno.

For quick connectors of various types, absolutely. But since I can't install them on customers' pickups for them, this application called for a connector that would accept a bare wire. At the time there weren't great options. They've since gotten better. Mojotone uses a type of connector that I wish I could have gotten my hands on then.

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Tell them it doesn't fit, and just install the components as you normally would. Just make sure it's cheaper so the customer doesn't complain. They can send their stuff back to Emersons for a refund, no harm, no foul.

Except you lied to them. But whatever, it's not like they were ever inviting you over for Christmas.
 

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Tell them it doesn't fit, and just install the components as you normally would. Just make sure it's cheaper so the customer doesn't complain. They can send their stuff back to Emersons for a refund, no harm, no foul.

Except you lied to them. But whatever, it's not like they were ever inviting you over for Christmas.

You talkin to me? Nobody lied to anyone.
 

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You talkin to me? Nobody lied to anyone.
I think that was a suggestion for next time instead of pointing your customer to this thread or talking them out of it.

I'm really surprised by Emerson's execution and assembly issues. Thank you for sharing.
 
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