Why don't lead singers have to foot the bill for the rest of the band?

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  1. Antigua Tele

    Antigua Tele Friend of Leo's

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    I think you really have to have a central vocalist, it's crucial to most popular genres. Take rap for example, often times it's just live vocals over a recorded backing track, and that's good enough to fill a large venue. I just think there should be an understanding going in that it's the vocalist's show. Bands have names like "Smashing Pumpkins", giving the idea that the vocalist is just one of the many, when obviously that aint so, and then you have band names like "Neil Young and Crazyhorse" and then at least it's baked in to everyone's mind that the vocalist and the backing band are not really one and the same. It should probably always be that way, and the backing band should be asking "whats in it for us?" apart from the lead singer and whatever it is they're in it for.
     
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    DonM Friend of Leo's Silver Supporter

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    The first time I saw the Dave Clark Five I thought Mike Smith was Dave Clark; also thought Spencer Davis sang Gimme Some Lov'in. :cool:
     
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    Remember the Golden Rule: He who has the gold makes the rules.

    Also, I was confused by Hootie and the Blowfish. I thought Hootie was the singer (who wouldn't?), but he was actually the guitarist...

    And I guess Jethro Tull must have been the bass player or something because that singer was Ian Anderson.
     
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    You do realise that Jethro Tull the band is named after Jethro Tull the 18th century British agriculturalist.
     
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    Yeah, Cyrus McCormick was the bass player:p
     
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    And how long have The Who been together? Isn't it 55 years?
     
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    It's important to look at who writes the songs, too. If the bassist in the band is writing all the good stuff, they're still getting paid when the singer dumps the band and goes off on endless "hits" tours later on.
     
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    Many good singers are musicians as well and songwriters. Way back to the old rockers. Then people like jackson Browne, Glen Frey and Don Henley, JJ Cale , Mark Knopfler too many to cite. The musicians too are not just backing bands but some , many actually, have really worked at their craft.
    Personally, I have never worked in a band with a big egotist and like to share responsibilities between all involved. I like the way that the Rolling Stones have always had two main guitarists, so too the Eagles.
    That's how I like to work.
    True some bands do exist where a singer is the feature, as you have cited, but would Fleetwood Mac be better off without Buckingham ? Peter Green? Today- Taylor Goldsmith and Dawes. Again too many to cite. Hhm??
     
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    Around there. I remember seeing them in 1980 for their first Farewell Tour (back when we actually believed a farewell tour meant farewell).
     
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    If you find a better than average singer: stick with them. (or marry them - like I did). Like Pat Benatar did.
    Don't marry drummers... (unless you are Wynonna Judd and Cactus Moser).
     
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    Nuts!

    Why does the lead singer get paid the same share of recording royalties, performance income, and merchandising in the first instance if he/she is bigger than the band and they can [hypothetically] be easily replaced by hired sidemen as you suggest?
     
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    Sometimes the personnel in the band other than the lead singer are the best songwriters and composers.

    From a business standpoint, I would always take a guy that churns out great songs, compositions, and arrangement with journeyman but sufficient musical skills and looks over a hotshot player with an "image" to uphold. Running out of fresh, relevant material is the biggest "business factor" that kills commercially successful bands when a clash of egos, hatred, alcohol and drugs, and women have not ruined the band first.
     
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    Play their songs with the wrong chords until they comply!
     
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    Dang it...way to crush my dream Dismalhead :p
     
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    Longer than that.....I saw their FIRST farewell tour back in about 1937. ;)
     
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    Ha ha. Pat Benatar didn't marry the better than average singer . . . she married the better than average guitar player! :)
     
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    I think everyone knows that.....
     
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    Ted is the perfect vocalist for that song, ditto "Wang Dang Sweet Poontang"
     
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    Except that Mike Rutherford formed Mike and the Mechanics and went on to much success and Tony Banks has done pretty well himself.
    I think the broader problem with your theory is it doesn't account for talent. It's not good enough to be just a great guitar player or bass player you need to have something the public wants. When a band breaks up whether it's the singer going solo or for other reasons the truly talented will prevail.
    Jeff Beck lost his singer to a solo career but he still managed to do okay.
     
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