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Why don't guitar amps use 3-way speaker arrangements?

Discussion in 'Amp Central Station' started by MrCoolGuy, Oct 29, 2020.

  1. MrCoolGuy

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    Wow, those are exactly the two examples that made me start thinking about this. Thanks man.
     
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    It's so fascinating to me that so many people just say, "oh terrible idea. Guitars should sound like guitars always have... forever. Period." Lol Probably not Sonic Youth fans?
     
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    Yeah, go on, blow your hi-fi and let us know how it goes!
     
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    I'm not sure what you are trying to say, but guitar speakers are very limited range. Lol
     
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    It’s what Leo was always striving for, the true, clean, sound of the strings. Then us lot found every way we could to distort it!
     
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    ‘Any other freq(sic) sounds wanky’. An absolutely brilliant quote!
     
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    If you want to go further down the "fuller-range" rabbit hole, look at the frequency response curves of the pickups you're using.

    The Lace Alumitones didn't really catch on because they really do sound different than most guitar pickups.
     
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    Except for an acoustic guitar maybe, it would be as useless as unsatisfactory in terms of tone...

    But it's me, OK ? :D

    A+!
     
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    I'm no scientist, but guitars are mid-range voiced instruments on the audio spectrum.
    It sounds to me like maybe you have a very specific scenario where this could be a good thing, and I'm sure it's been tried.
    Tweeters are usually designed for the hi-mid/high frequencies (2,000 hz to 20,000 Hz).
    While I'd love to have amp/speaker product that can give control EQ control to the player, my gut says that it may not be practical in the wide variety of live gigging situations.
    Plus the variety of different guitars would make this very challenging as well, some guitars can have too much bass or too much treble as well.

    It just leads me to more questions -
    Which speaker would you mic up at a club or in a studio?
    Would you need a special amp to have control over specific bands of the EQ to match the speaker setup?
     
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    why then are acoustic guitar amps set up with different range speaker or speakers? because they want the full frequency. lol

    play music!
     
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    I think that was the Rivera Knucklehead. Great for drop tunings and 7 strings, but nü-metal wasn’t the longest-lived of fads.
     
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    Not sure if you're suggesting this... but my thought is that acoustics can produce a wide range of frequencies & harmonics because of the acoustic nature of the generation and transmission. An electric is tightly limited to what the pickups will provide.
     
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    I own a Carvin AG100D acoustic guitar amp. It uses a two way speaker system (12 inch woofer w/3 inch dome tweeter housed in a ported cabinet) It has a guitar channel, bass guitar channel, and a vocal/keyboard channel. A Swiss Army amp if you will. 100 watts solid state amp, with digital effects, and a five band graphic EQ on the main output. For clean sound it does it's job. It even sounds okay with a Telecaster plugged in to the guitar channel.
     
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    Have you looked at the existing thread on this very form titled "Can you direct out of your guitar amp and into the PA?"
    Taking a guitar amp "direct" into a PA has a very similar outcome to plugging a 3 ways cabinet into an amp. The idea's expressed there will be closely related to this thread.
     
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    Dropped tunings are more popular than ever in metal music. Not my thing at all, but there is still a market for guitar rigs with extended bass response.
     
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    i probably play mostly prepared guitar or extended technique stuff. about half the time DI, but half the time it still it just sounds better through a speaker or speaker simulation.

    the speaker is an extension of the instrument, just like a mouthpiece is on a horn. it has to be well considered for the application or technique. masking off some of the information makes something sound trippier, not less, many times.

    generally if i want a full frequency response, i let the venue take care of it with the PA. everyone generally has something passable like that. not everyone has what i demand in a guitar amp.
     
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    Did you mean to say, "Far from full range"?

    This is a typical response curve for guitar speakers:

    freq resp.jpg
     
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