There is nothing that isn't serviceable inside any Hot Rod or reissue series Fender. When I see those amps come in it's like free money.
My Dad's HRdlx was serviceable, but the only part that's went out was something on a board, and was roughly the Size of a pencil lead.There is nothing that isn't serviceable inside any Hot Rod or reissue series Fender. When I see those amps come in it's like free money.
^^^Yes I agree completely. And because Fender are a privately held company it is not possible to get any of Fender's financial numbers. So we can't buy stock in Fender and their financial numbers are not available to the public.My question is, unless you own stock in the company and see a problem
WHY WOULD YOU DO ALL THAT.
It would be naive to think we're(the public guitar forum) going to see a copy of Fender USAs Segmented Operating Income with breakdowns for minor accounts under each division to analyze cost on a granular level, or even see what thier in-house alleged cost is, based upon thier own margin (which again will be confidential in-house information not even broadly available to all stake holders, just Boards and key operators).
We can infer by knowledge we have that they've seen sales growth big time in the last 2 years, that amps weren't the top 2 divisions they reported booming after 2020, and that they're still making thier 2019ish margins per unit at least with price increases and labor cuts. We can infer (based upon dealer price sheets that I don't have) a percentage of increase in cost to dealer, compare that to how inflation was tracking the week of the increase, and ascertain a generalized number of how thier margin is comparing to pre-inflation margin (which is still an unknown number, by the way).
My question is, unless you own stock in the company and see a problem
WHY WOULD YOU DO ALL THAT.
I've never worked manufacturing, but as the economic landscape in retail has shifted recently, it takes a few quarters before our actual SGI looks right due to wages amounts increasing with the same hours counts because we are paying more, and our cost of goods sold being impacted on every side from suppliers to wages from warehouse and transportation... very few variables haven't changed.
I'd bet money Fender has similar realities to business, and several people being paid 6 figures a year to have a handle on this will in fact have a variable number themselves.
I applaud your financial acumen rebuttal, and know that I just drove the point t you were making HARD, but this thread will get really boring really fast (and I'll need to take notes in an excel sheet to follow) if we really dig into it. Boomtexan made some points I follow, but getting lost in the weeds of a P&L of a company not paying me to do it seems like a voluntary root canal.
Can we go back to arguing over JJs vs EHX vs Ruby? Simpler times........
You fix the bloody things, but if you're job depended on them breaking and needing replaced (instead of repaired) once a decade, you would have Fenders mindset. Or they aren't evil geniuses and im giving too much credit. I wish they'd make them more serviceable and expect everyone to buy one of each. I can dream.....
ime, the newer Fender amps built to a mass consumer price point..or lower??…are more prone to failure than a pre-1985 Fender amp that has been properly serviced. I know of vintage amps that were recapped and serviced before many of these inexpensively built newer Fenders and that have needed no service whereas the newer Fenders are prone to have problems. It is all in the quality of the build.
I think that´s true - but then, it isn´t...unfortunately the market is not being driven by people like us.
Not sure if you saw my post above yours...... I’m just trying to point out that we view amps differently than the average purchaser (aka “the market”)
We are a minority segment of “the market”. If we were the entire market and companies made amps tailored to our needs, then there’s be a LOT less posting here and more amp utilization overall.Hi!
Not sure if you saw my post above yours...
If companies didn't care about "us", they wouldn't offer products for "us".
We are "the market" (aka "the average purchaser"), as much as anybody else is.
cheers - 68.
Hey, EVERYBODY is a "minority segment" of the market - but it still seems to add upWe are a minority segment of “the market”...
I guess what I’m trying to say is “We’re not normal!”Hi Tim!
Hey, EVERYBODY is a "minority segment" of the market - but it still seems to add up
Personally, I would like to play out a bit more often - but I still have 1.5 bands going, and I play my amps (almost) every day.
In the meantime, I enjoy hanging around a gear-forum or two
cheers - 68.
It's only overpriced if no one buys one. Supply and demand. People say to buy American, and then people complain about an American company "overpricing" items. Sure you could buy a hand built Champ for hundreds less, but that private builder doesn't have a payroll to meet, or advertising budget, plus having to make the books work with all their products at hand to keep the company solvent. I'm sure the man hours and cost of parts supplied for these high end amps doesn't pay the bills, but they still make them to show what they are capable of. Just like a Corvette probably loses money for Chevy overall, but the prestige of making them still is worth the buzz and the bottom line.I should rephrase this. Two people has answered the question so far, their answer was that they have warranties, they're popular, and they're easier to purchase. The other answer was marketing.
I guess my post seemed to be calling out people that bought reissues, and I didn't start it intending to sound like that, but as i unearthed a vintage Supro and saw that a new one was the same cost I because pretty infuriated. It's a dirt cheap amp and shouldn't cost that much. Same goes for the 5F1 and 5E3 reissues. Fender is trying to sell you an amp for 1600 that I could make myself for 250 or buy from a boutique amp maker for 750.
I understand the Bassman reissues, Supro Thunderbolt reissues, and a lot of other valuable vintage amp reissues that are hard to build costing so much, but I just feel that the 5F1, 5E3, and 1606 reissues are horribly overpriced for what they are and what goes into making them.
Not blaming the people who buy them, blaming the companies for overpricing them.
Looking your age on your profile, I believe you'll hopefully learn to be more tolerant of this and many things as your life goes forward. There seems to be a severe lack of tolerance right now.It's just a culture clash for me, and I need to be more tolerant and understanding of those who want to go mainstream.