Why aren't there any brownface reissues? (Is it because of Hip Hop? ;-))) )

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  1. blowtorch

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    funny what some people get away with.
     
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    Can't believe this actually happened on TDPRI!

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    I was wondering about that... when I saw it I thought "Oh is this another one of those threads about how Hip Hop is dumb and has made guitars obsolete?" :D Glad to see I was wrong though.
     
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    yep, and it was way more organic than the modern quantizated rap which i can't stand because of it..
     
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    yes, and Pete Townshend now gigs w a 50w VibroKing (i think).
    Doesnt need the onstage big iron wattage.Just good monitors and mixers..
     
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    Sure. Like any form of music, the earliest versions of it are generally way better than what it becomes. Modern rap is pure garbage. It's parody of itself. Earlier rap was often very good.
     
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    I am not trying to jump into the middle of an argument, but not all law comes from statutes. U.S. law comes from a combination of statutes and case opinions. In the 2004 case of Newton v. Diamond, a federal appeals court said the following about sampling:

    Citation: 388 F.3d 1189.

    Google link: The language appears on page 1192.

    Link to PDF of cited article.
     
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    Spot on
    Brownface amps do not sound like a Marshall imo.Cranked certainly not.Different amp topology.
    The brownface grit/dirt comes from lower powered OTs that Fender put in to protect the low watt alnico speakers from crapping out.Different for the 4 speaker ones as they could handle the full 40/50w.
    Still, the brownface are closer to blackface than tweeds or Marshalls.Tonestack, coupling caps, cathode bypass etc.
    Ask a tech, folks..
     
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    So I appreciate what you’re trying to say, but the opinion that you cite is still retroactively applying the term “sampling” to a practice that could not have been described in that way prior to the invention of samplers.

    My whole point of emphasizing the distinction was to show that MM was not familiar with the way that people who make beats talk and think about their practice. I don’t believe that the judge in Newton v. Diamond seems any more familiar with that culture.

    Intellectually the practices are the same. Functionally they are not. The opinion that you cite even recognizes that cutting between turntables has limitations that using a digital sampler does not. Likewise, sampled beats sometimes feel lifeless/soulless because of the pristine copy and steady tempo.

    For the purposes of law, it makes sense to use “sampling” as a catch all. For the purposes of discussing music and how it is made, it does not. I’m not a lawyer, I’m a musician. I don’t know what MM does for money, but that’s between him and God.
     
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    I never claimed to be a hip hop producer. I don't have to be one to have my own qualifications for what sampling is. I already apologized for offending you, why cant you just agree to disagree?
     
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    BURN!!!
     
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    Yes, I wonder what she thinks of all this.
     
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    Way off topic but -
    Yes it is. We a currently 11,000 years into a 50,000 year intergalcial ( warm period ) of the Quarternary Glaciation ( Ice Age ). due to the earths cycles with the sun ( Milankovitch Cycle ).So it will get warmer providing no catastrophic event occurs. Green house gasses from Human activity could delay the next due glaciation in 39,000 years by up to 150,000 years regardless of the Milancovitch Cycle. Good for some, bad if your a Polar Bear.
    HOWEVER.
    One of the planets biggest disasters since the great extinction is deforestation which has cut the removal of Carbon Monoxide, Carbon & Sulfur Dioxide from the atmosphere by ⅔. in addition to the extinction of plant & animal. So scientifically global warming cannot be soley blamed on human activity but destroying & poisoning the planet can.
    Maybe I don't really need that Brownface amp after all.
     
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    This thread has entered a death spiral as it nears the event horizon of the *off-topic black hole.* Luckily, all the atoms of its posts and posters are being compressed and shredded by super-gravity so no one will suffer.

    Unless it gets torn apart into multiple off-topic threads -- new black holes seem to be springing up all around it. :D
     
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    As they say, you’re entitled to your own opinion, but not your own facts.
     
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    Thank you. Let it serve as a warning to those who might, in their blissful ingnorance of hip hop and the history of sampling, wish to discuss brownface Fender amps.
     
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    I was thinking about the Princeton Recording, but didn't want to throw gasoline on the fire. :lol:
     
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    This sounds pretty subjective.
     
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    Can't you just get a Blackface Fender amp and re-tolex it in brown? I mean sure, technically "Brownface Fender" refers to a specific series of amplifiers designed between 1959 and 1963, but I think if the amp is brown, it should be called a Brownface amp. I don't see what the problem with that could be. It's not like musicians have specific terminology for tools and techniques that is ingrained in the history, traditions and culture of what they do, after all.
     
  20. Tomm Williams

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    This is my ‘61 Brownface Pro in a custom cab with a 1-12” Lil Texas. (The original cab is in storage)
    Best of my knowledge it’s never been used for Rap but it might have been used for recording. It puts out a tone so heavenly that it reverses Global Warming.

    There...... I covered all four of the main topics in this thread.:lol: 482B619A-5002-410A-8FBB-FB933D8830C0.jpeg
     
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