Why aren't there any brownface reissues? (Is it because of Hip Hop? ;-))) )

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  1. drf64

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    Friend-o - You said a bunch of stuff that wasn’t true:

    How could it have been sampled WHEN THERE WERE NO SAMPLERS?

    A) Examples were provided of hip hop that doesn’t use samples, including the Roots, and some early hip hop singles that used live bands to avoid copyright issues.

    B) Once again, no samplers existed when the first mainstream rap song was issued.

    Then you claimed that your perspective was UNIVERSAL!

    All of this was in the context of seeming like you don’t hold hip hop in very high regard (“some random guy”). I’m not offended that you were mean to rappers. I’m annoyed that you seem to be acting like an authority on something that you don’t seem to have the vocabulary to meaningfully discuss.
     
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    I did not say that none used live musicians. I said without sampling, hip hop and rap would not be what it is today. That is true. I admit it is true, that some early hiphop did not use samples, they played the exact same riff in a loop so it sounded exactly like the song. My mistake. I have said it numerous times, using someone else's recording in your own song is sampling. If you require a sampler to be used to qualify using another person's music in your own as sampling, that is your decision. I don't believe that and legally that is not the case.
     
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    What small experience I have of Browns and Blondes, I can attest to that Marshall-y-ness.
     
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    Ditto.
     
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    I'll take a moment in this wild and wooly thread to point out that Bonham NEVER recorded with a Ludwig Vistalite kit. Only maple drums. And he was arguably most associated with Vistalites.
     
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    Here is the “Copyright Infringement and Remedies” section of Title 17 (copyright section) of the Federal Statutes.

    https://www.copyright.gov/title17/92chap5.html

    I encourage you to do a ctrl+f search of the text for “sample” or “sampling.” It ain’t in there. Once again, it seems as though you are claiming authority on something for which you don’t have the background knowledge.
     
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    So, what did they call it? Contemporaneously? At the time of the fact?? Before the term "Sampling" was created??? Before a digital "sampler" existed? When something was recorded and played back, looped, rapped over, on anything?
     
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    ok, so you are saying if you make a loop of "le freak" by chic, rap over it, and you sell it for money, you will not get sued?
     
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    That’s kind of the point - it wasn’t looped back over and over. The process is a lot more active. It involves having one break playing on one turntable, and winding back the beat on the other turntable to match it, while adding a little bit of scratching in between.



    Calling what GM Flash is doing here “sampling” just isn’t accurate. Sampling is finding a beat or a sound, and then triggering that with hardware (MPC) or software (DAW). That doesn’t resemble this.
     
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    Obviously not. I’m saying that you’re wrong to suggest that there is language in the copyright statutes that uses the word sampling. You said the legal definition of sampling was using another recorded piece of music in another work. If that was true, the word “sampling” should appear in the federal statutes. It does not.

    Once again your avatar has inspired my evening listening but this time I’m going with Blank Generation. What a GD missile.
     
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    OK sports fans here's the score best I can calculate...……………..Thread responses at least somewhat on topic:40. Responses steered towards "Recording Amps":21. Responses steered towards "Rap/Sampling":54

    OP have you found an answer to your question or just give up?:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol: This place is still better than TGP.
     
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    Not that I’m aware. I don’t think that’s ever been reissued.
     
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    Bonham used EZDrummer. It's easier that way.
     
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    Rick Allen
     
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    He uses a fake arm in the studio.
     
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    i was reading a Vivian Campbell interview today about it & the bands overcoming .still kinda amazes me they kept on going !
     
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    Which is called what?
     
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    The Fairlight was introduced in 1979. Same year "Rapper's Delight" was released.
     
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    Seems like it matters more what it is NOT called than what it IS called.
     
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