Why aren't bass roll offs more common (like on G&L & Reverend)?

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  1. Golem

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    It sounds great with hotter single coils like P90s, the Z Coils, and also seems to work pretty well with humbuckers (although I've honestly only ever tried it in a G&L with a JB in the bridge).

    Is it just that it's not traditional? I tend to use EQ pedals a lot like the VFE Pinball, so I can get the same results from a pedal if needed, but it is handy to have that bass contour on the guitar itself.
     
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    i did it myself on this one and works great. maybe the lack off guitars in shops to try out is one of the reasons
     
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    I installed a bass cut pot in my Carvin guitar. I used a 0.0022 microfarad cap and a 500K pot. It "cleans up" distortion, making it more biting and forward in the mix. It also cuts volume since the bass frequencies take up so much power. I would not do it with single coils, but I find it a viable option with humbuckers.
     
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    I wouldn't do it with a typical tele or strat pickup. I do think it sounds good with P90s though. Andy plays a 290 with P90s with the bass contour full, min, and half at different points in this demo. It's noticeable.

     
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    Sorry for being a fan of Andy's demos, but his demos of G&Ls and Reverends are the best examples of the bass contour:

    Here's a Pete Anderson Hollowbody with the bass contour at different settings at different points of the video.

     
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    I'm tempted to do this to my 594 Soapbar. LOL. Might take a hit on resell value of I did that to such a pricey guitar.
     
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    I'm considering trying it on my American Deluxe Strat, for when the S1 switch is engaged.
     
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    The S-1 in your guitar gives you single coils in series? I could imagine it might help in that scenario. Really anytime where you think you could benefit with less bass in your tone.
     
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    Yes, depending on the selector switch's position the neck or bridge will be in series with the middle, or the neck or bridge will be in parallel with a "special capacitor" (I honestly don't know what's going on there), and then that will be in series with the middle.

    Anyway, yeah, it's supposed to ape humbucker tones, so I imagine a bass roll-off option might make for some useful versatility in the S-1 positions. And maybe even in the "normal" positions. Sometimes a guy just wants a thinner tone, y'know?
     
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    I made a bass cut on a mini toggle switch for my Strat.

    .0022uF cap and a 500k resistor. Works great. Especially with my OCD stacked with my Fuzz Face. Using the bass cut with overdrive AND fuzz stacked together gets you into metal territory.

    The bass cut can also be cool with wah, especially on the neck pickup. Can help it cut through a lot better and really clean up the sound. I've considered slightly tweaking the values of the components to get slightly less bass cut. .0022uF and 500k do cut a fair amount of bass out, although in a bedroom it might sound slightly thin, in a live, loud setting, it can really cut through the mix. Sounds great recorded too. Don't really have to EQ at all.
     
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    To answer the question, I think it's just not traditional and guitarists VERY traditional for the most part. I have been using my EQ pedal as a bass cut and it's been working great as a rhythm tone, turned off for soloing. I would get one on a guitar, but I don't do too well with complicated guitar controls and the only mod I'm planning to do is already very complex for me.
     
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    EF312970-4060-40F4-B366-0C587EF022AE.jpeg My Reverend Rick Vito has a bass roll off and a pickup blend instead of a 3 way switch. Very versatile and beautiful guitar!
     
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    As others have said, with P-90s I think it's an indispensable options. I have three Epiphones with P-90s, and I've assigned one of the two tone controls as a bass roll off with a 1meg pot and a 470pF cap. I'd do the third guitar, but it's a hollow body with no back panel access, so I don't want to mess with the wiring at all.

    I think Fender pickups and most PAF style pickups don't have so much bass with respect to treble that there is much need to decrease the bass. One exception might be a PAF neck pickup sounding woofy, but I've usually been able to permanently fix that by just lowering the bass side of the pickup.

    A bass roll off would makes for a nice option on any guitar with hotter pickups (and P-90s are hot pickups), but guys who buy hot pickups probably want that low end, which is why they bought hot pickups in the first place.

    The strange thing about P-90's is that it's the one hot (high inductance) pickup that guitar like the clean sound from (and maybe the much less common DeArmond pickups), which probably has less to do with tone, and more to do with adhering to convention. All and all, I think the bass roll off option is only really "needed" in a guitar with P-90's, and P-90s tend to come in historic models, such as Les Paul's or Casinos, and most players want them to be wired how they were in the 50's, which effectively shuts the door on the bass roll off knob.
     
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    I use a TBX tone pot on one of my 2xp90 teles..... it can be used to take bass out.... works great ..:)
     
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    It's brilliant. Guitars always should have had them...but they didn't...so they don't.

    One problem, though, is that unless you want a zillion knobs on your guitar, it's hard to implement them as anything but master controls, without sacrificing the regular tone control, which is also very useful.

    I love the concept, but in actual practice, I hate it on my G&L Legacys, because I lose individual tone controls for each pickup. The way I operate live is with pre-sets, which I move between using only the switch (no knobs moved when on stage). I dislike any sort of master tone control on a multi-pickup guitar. It's my pet peeve about the Tele, actually. Ideally, it'd have a V/T/T setup.
     
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    the high pass filter on my jag is so handy that i want to figure out how to unobtrusively put one on my tele.
     
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    I had put one on a guitar I had which was very muddy. It worked great but, as stated above, it cuts gain when cutting bass. I found a treble bleed onto the volume pot was not so much different finally.
    But it is a cool feature nonetheless.
     
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    The reason it cuts gain is probably not so much because it cuts overall volume, but when the signal distorts, treble is produced from the bass itself, in the form of clipping harmonics. That's why hot pickups with a muddy clean tone sound so good with overdrive, they deliver a clean sequence of harmonics as a result of the slipping producing a squared off waveform. So when you roll back the bass, in you're also rolling back those clipping harmonics.
     
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    I've used dual gang pots on Teles for this sort of mod. If I were doing it now though, I'd use a push pull pot, and wire it up to be a bass roll-off "on/off" toggle, and just use a trim pot to give it an ideal sounding "bass cut mode". In practice I tend to have the bass roll off knob either full up or full down.
     
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    Agreed! I use the bass cut on my Jag loads.
     
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