Why are tube amp people so adamant. Solid state has much to offer.

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  1. chris m.

    chris m. Poster Extraordinaire

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    Solid state pieces in a tube amp are definitely not always bad. For example, I often prefer a solid state rectifier over a tube rectifier if there's too much "sag" from the tube
    rectifier. I like a more immediate response to my attack . I've used tube amps with tube rectifiers that aren't too squishy, but if it is too squishy then I'll
    take a solid state rectifier, thank you.
     
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    This & my heavily modded DSL is what gets the modern tones done.. SLX.jpg
     
  3. Greg_L

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    One of the problems, in my opinion, with the modeler craze is the versatility. It's a crutch and problem. Seems like a good idea until the user can never just f--king settle on something. That's not technically the product's fault, but it enables and promotes paralysis. No one really needs that much damn versatility.
     
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    one of my favorites!
     
  5. bftfender

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    but this is old school fun..poor tweed deluxe..just has no chance..jtm45-jtm50 black flag spec'd-jmp50 1987-2204 now 427stack (3).jpg
     
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    This is a problem (option overload) for many, many people. The reason why there are so many options in the digital units is because it's much more sensible to create one unit that can cover the needs of many people instead of multiple units that each caters to a much narrower demographic. I've had my Kemper for five years and there is still stuff in it that I haven't really messed with. Hell, I haven't really twisted any knobs on it in a long, long time. I have a few banks set up with my favorite "go to" sounds, and I basically just fire it up and go.
     
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  7. Greg_L

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    That's good, and I know that you are unfortunately in the minority.

    I know a guy that's had a Kemper for about three years and he has yet to get a great sound out of it because he's constantly ****ing with it.
     
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    Seems to me that most of those that favor tube amps talk a lot about OD, breakup, edge of breakup, etc. Those are the last things this old guy wants to hear from an amp (or on recorded music).

    For me all I want is really clean tones at low volume. I can get that just fine from SS amps. I see no advantages to a tube amp for that. So I guess the type of sound you are looking for must play a big part in one's preference.
     
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  9. bftfender

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    i think for live with tube playing..its is key.. get clean on 5ish--break on 7 & dime for leads..it makes playing live so simple with basic sounds..all controlled off your guitar vol & tone knobs..sweet spot on amp matched with break on 7 on guitar..those 3 basic things dialed in allows to to focus on playing & having fun. just switch guitars for dif ways to hit the amp..makes for a consistent sound from practice to stage...i dont know if i have touched my knobs on amps for 6 months...just back treble chan vol back for strat & normal up a hair from Gibson settings
     
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    This thread made me want to A/B my pair of PV redstripe envoys against my silverface pro all day long. So I got home and that's exactly what I did. The first few minutes I played the same thing through each, paying attention to things like sag, and attack, and saturation, guitar volume knob behaviour and the like. Then I accidentally stumbled upon a chord progression from an old song of mine and forgot all about this thread for about an hour. That was nice.

    I really like my Envoys with the clean channel dimed. But although they were advertised as emulating a tube amp, they just don't. My Pro is simply better at everything but portability.
     
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    you want clean & headroom.? if i was a picker..this all day long..then how ever much gain ya want..it doesnt have to be metal..its a crazy good amp for regular stuff 5150rig.jpg
     
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    You know when I started this thread it was just an honest question. I never expected this many responses.
     
  13. bftfender

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    passion man..your amp is the control station ...from your guitar to your speakers...
     
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    I'm usually on board with most of your posts I've seen, but I totally disagree with this one. Those EVH amps suck for headroom. They're all mashed up compressed gain all the time.
     
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    I saw a post farther back claiming the amp is part of the instrument, and that post is spot on.
     
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    What are some bands do that you like that use solid state amps?
     
  17. Cheap guitar guy

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    Oh man. I haven't dug that deep into the bands I like and their sound or tone and the gear they use. I would venture to say that most of what I like ( classic style hard rock and metal) it was probably tube amps obviously. I guess when i posed my initial question it was based on my basement playing. Not being someone who gigs but is serious about my personal playing and my sound/tone I can get some pretty dark drippy tone from a solid state for my purposes.
     
  18. jondanger

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    Well, Television used MusicMan Amps, which have a solid state preamp, and usually a solid state phase inverter too.

    All Metallica’s clean sounds are Roland JC-120s.

    Johnny Winters also played MusicMans, specifically HD-130 410s

    Arcade Fire uses MusicMan HD-130 210s

    Robert Smith uses a Roland JC-160.

    Look onstage at The Last Waltz - MusicMans.

    So there are quite a few.
     
  19. Greg_L

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    I don't know about all those other guys, but Television used Fender amps. I've seen about a hundred pics of them at CBGBs with Fender combos behind them. Maybe an occasional Vox.

    Not saying they never used Music Man, but it's been Fender as far as I've seen.
     
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    You sure? I'm 99% sure Kirk Hammett has a Dumble Steel String Singer, I have to assume he's recorded with it on at least one occasion..
     
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