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Discussion in 'Bad Dog Cafe' started by kafka, Sep 15, 2019.
Tim Pierce. The most famous guitarist many have never heard of
Well Keith of course.
Described as both sloppy and a genius.
Gotta agree with both.
Me. On the weekend someone yelled "You Suck!" & they were right.
It did hurt a little that that comment came while I was playing at my Buddy's wedding with friends for friends. Lol.
African or European?
Exactly. Then there's the fact that it will *always* be subjective. Accurately rated does not exist anywhere.
Billy Ray Vaughn.
Wait...... guitar players have ratings? Is it number of stars on Amazon or what?
If you've ever read Car and Driver, Consumer Reports, US News and World Report, they often try to create
pseudo objective ratings of things such as cars, computers, and colleges. Of course, it all boils down to how each
factor is weighted, which is entirely subjective, even if the rankings within each variable are reasonable. Here are some
of the factors I would use to rate a guitar player, but I'm not sure how I would weight them:
- Technical Skill 1: Ability to play lead guitar at a wide range of speeds with accuracy, precision, and clarity.
- Technical Skill 2: Ability to play chords with multiple, well-chosen voicings resulting in pleasing movement from chord to chord and supporting the rhythm of the song.
- Technical Skill 3: Ability to play with very good tone for whatever genre of music he/she is playing.
- Technical Skill 4: Ability to play with impeccable phrasing and timing. (Timing can be sloppy if it is intentional and suits the song...)
- Technical Skill 5: Ability to play in multiple genres: not just the easy ones where all you need to know is the pentatonic box...
- Artistic Skill 1: Ability to create and perform a lead passage that supports the song and is interesting/musical/lyrical/memorable/iconic.
- Artistic Skill 2: Ability to write well constructed songs-- lyrics, arrangement, intro, outro, verse, chorus, bridge, etc.
- Artistic Skill 3: Ability to develop a distinctive, unique voice-- to sound like oneself, not like a copycat of others that came before.
- Entertainment Skill 1: Ability to put on a great show.
- Entertainment Skill 2: Ability to lay down a great album.
- Life Skill 1: Ability to form or be part of a band that has a lasting impact beyond a small, specialized niche.
- Life Skill 2: Ability to evolve and remain relevant over time.
- Life Skill 3: Ability to avoid being derailed by drugs, alcohol, "the road", and not becoming a total a**hol* to others.
And the winner is: Joe Bonamassa
2nd Place: John Mayer
I'm just kidding!!! ;-)
Guitar Player Magazine once described Albert Lee's playing as a "train wreck that never derails"...
That's the most accurate description I have ever read about a player.
The beef I have with the super lead players like Albert Lee and Derek Trucks is that when it is their band, all that matters is
the solo. Instead of the solo supporting the song, the song and the whole band are built around the solo. No matter how
good they are as players I just burn out on the wheedly-wheedly-wheedly after maybe fifteen minutes.
I think Michael Schenker is an amazing lead guitar player....but his bands-- MSG and UFO-- pretty much sucked. As a kid
I didn't care. Now I can't listen to a crap song just because it has a great solo.
In start contrast are players like Mark Knopfler and David Gilmour who play extremely well, but always play in support of the song.
Another great lead player that almost always writes good songs and supports the songs is Warren Haynes, IMO. Billy Gibbons, too.
I'm always impressed with a guitar player that has amazing lead chops but doesn't over do it with the wheedly-wheedly-wheedly...
I would personally balance between these two :
WHOOPS! I thought it said overly rated guitar player! That would be Eddie Van Halen. Couldn't stand the guy.
Now if we are talking properly accurate rated, I'd have to say Stevie Ray Vaughan.
The Edge. Accurate, not complex.
Perhaps Joe Satriani..
folks appreciate him but his limitations have also been pointed out (by Ritchie Blackmore)
Underrated for me: Chris Poland (Wow, that guy is soooo unique)
That's a bingo!
The subjectivity of "ratings" make it impossible to run with this. If we take a sample spread of "top XX guitarists" that's been published, we can more clearly dispute scores.
Then we have whatever arbitrary criteria as well as the "score".
All we can properly negotiate without that are things like technical skill based off of released material, influence over the scope of music, and/or attaching that to ballpark generalizations of the "rating " of stuff.
Or we can half-heartedly argue Phil Keagy and Danny Gatton being better but less influential than Buddy Holly, but none existing without Robert Johnson or Son House..... it's a really deep rabbit hole.