Which Fender/Vox tube amp?

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The SC is way more than a simple modelling amp and it has ... one 12AX7 (preamp) and two 6V6 (power amp). I know your choice is made, but if you ever have the chance to try one, do so.

I am sure the SCXD and SCX2 are great sounding amps. If I was looking for a FIRST amp, I would choose this instead.

I do think anyone considering this amp to grab one quick because the way i read it, I do not think Fender is going to perpetuate the Vintage Modified amp line. The Mustangs are competitive products and with Fender putting their cards on the new Tonemasters it makes little sense (to me) for them to maintain the VM line. I'm happy to be wrong though!
 

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Why the Cub 10

The Cub 10 comes to life when it has been biased properly. Mine was biased so cold, rigor mortis had begun to set into the sound.

They sound pretty good through either the Celestion TEN-30 of the early models, or the H|H labelled speaker from later models. They sound better with a Jensen MOD speaker.
They become quite awesome through an external cab.

The amp only has a single feature, but it is the only one that absolutely matters to me, and that is the 1W input. I wish it has reverb but can't have everything right? Also it has a face only its mother can love. That black tolex just screams 'outdated' lol.

The High/Low inputs aren't full/1W but rather they relate to the gain, or more accurately, they're for high output ( thus low gain ) or low output ( more gain ) pickups.

Have the schematic for clarity.

Great sounds to be had, but it's true. Not a looker.
 

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I realized I need to narrow my original question a bit. Scratch the Fender Twin comparison - I just read up some more and realized that's the top of the food chain amp. I'm not looking to replicate that exact sound in a smaller amp but I do like that sound profile.

I'm looking for a warm sounding amp with great touch dynamics and a fat, uncompressed kind of sound on edge of break up. But I do like the Fender sound.
In such cases try before buy Orange, Marshall, Laney. The solid state ones, with dual pedals like dual overdrive or boost into overdrive into SS amp.
 

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The Cub 10 comes to life when it has been biased properly. Mine was biased so cold, rigor mortis had begun to set into the sound.

The High/Low inputs aren't full/1W but rather they relate to the gain, or more accurately, they're for high output ( thus low gain ) or low output ( more gain ) pickups.

Have the schematic for clarity.

Thanks for the advice. I'm new to tube amps - how does it sound when it is biased cold?

I can't read a schematic actually. But I guess the saving grace is having volume and gain pots to work with for home use.
 

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Thanks for the advice. I'm new to tube amps - how does it sound when it is biased cold?

The breakup isn't pleasant, quite 'spiky' to my ears. Lacking in warmth, depth and substance. 'Meh' cleans that lack piano timbre on the wound strings. Not necessarily bad.

Bias it properly, and may choirs of angels caress your ears. Perhaps not, but it becomes a real aural joy. The sound of the wound strings takes on a new dimension. I hear it more when tic-tac'ing a bass line with a pick and strumming a chord atop it. There's a new complexity there which is very engaging indeed.

Enough pretentious prattle.
Biased properly = wonderful sound + reasonable power valve life.
Biased too hot = ever so slightly more wonderful sound + short power valve life + possible smoke-letting elsewhere.
Biased too cold = meh sound + longer power valve life.

In terms of valves, V1 -is- the money valve on these. A Sovtek/EHX 12AY7 gives a greater sweep to the gain knob and a great clean. Can still go bonkers with the gain dimed.
The JJ 5751 is higher gain than the 12AY7, but less than the 12AX7. If it sounds good to begin with, and you enjoy playing it as it is, change nothing and buy strings with the money saved.

My favourite setting is simple. Gain 5, volume 7, tone maxed, drive it from the guitar.
 




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