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Discussion in 'Bad Dog Cafe' started by Norton72, Sep 22, 2017.
He's not dead.
I wasn't a fan of post-Gabriel Genesis either. This thread just keeps on giving
....and Collins was and IS a brilliant writer and arranger. I love Phil Collins and I don't care who knows it!
On that point, a real unsung gem of a song is "Man In a Suitcase" from Zenyatta. The bassline is especially killer.
Alex and Geddy both cited the Police specifically as an influence. All three members of Rush were pretty into the Police, from their own comments in interviews.
To the comments about the use of chorus, Alex began using chorus on Hemispheres, circa 77/78. It was a recent, new effect, so guitarists were checking it out.
Yes, he did. I've read it in more than one interview.
Brand X made me appreciate Phil's drumming.
And thank God that Rush were influenced by the Police & others, else they wouldn't have stepped out of their Zeppelin sound.
No. But his drumming pretty much is. I liked early post-Gabriel but when they starting going pop not so much. Even then there was a gen or two on each album that harkened back to their earlier days, i.e., Fading Lights in We Can't Dance. One decent song vs some almost unlistenable stuff...
Who has more para diddles per song?
They had stepped out of that by the second and third albums. King Crimson, Genesis and Gentle Giant were all having an effect on their sound.
Rush actually cited The Police as a band that heavily influenced their synth poppy later work.
This was on a documentary I recently watched on Netflix.
In my book, the first time the Police influence showed up on a Rush record was the reggae part toward the end of The Spirit Of Radio.
Alex used a chorus earlier, but that's not the Police influence - when the Police hit, he added the flanger. The Electric Mistress is the Police sound on the first three albums.
That's right up there with the news story in Rolling Stone years ago.
Alex Lifeson got into a brawl at his son's wedding and got arrested. They had a photo of him in a white tuxedo shirt with blood all over it.
The caption read "A Modern Day Warrior."
The Music Bidness sure hit a slack spot during this time.
Mid to late 1970s, to 1980 was lousy but it probably wasn't BECAUSE of the Eagles - this was just evidence of a lot of ennui.
You could count the bands that were firing on all 8 cylinders on your fingers and toes - you sure could not do that in 1969.
I don't see the New World Man connection... Myself, I'm a big fan of both bands. I'm surprised no one cited Yes in this conversation. These bands seem to go into the studio with more of a let's be creative rather than let's be commercial attitude. More so, after they were established. Fortunately for them their albums were well received. Well, we could argue yes went the opposite direction around this time frame going more commercial with 90125.
I think Rush's A Farewell To Kings ('77) is when they broke from the standard rock mold. The Police kind of broke out of the Ska mode with Ghost in the Machine ('81). These albums followed up with Permanent Waves and Synchronicity; both IMO are masterpieces.
I just finished watching the George Harrison documentary Living in the Material World. In it he talked about always learning, new influences, and moving on. Which is one of the reasons I've always been a Zep fan; every album stood on it's own and most the songs wouldn't really work on any of their other albums. Quite the opposite of what most bands do today.
Rush may have been inspired by the Police, I sure wasn't. I'd rather listen to Rush any day.
Which came first, The Police or Rush?
The Rolling Stones, ....they rushed to the bathroom and flushed some drugs when they heard the police is coming.
I feel much the same way about 80's Genesis. Not my cuppa. I have to say, though, that "A Trick Of The Tail" and "Seconds Out" were two great albums. Heck, I even liked "Duke".
Unless things have changed, this back condition Phil has precludes him from drumming - It is bound to be driving him nuts. I'd love to see him healthy and behind the drum kit once more. I'm convinced, everything else could fall back into place.
I pretty much bailed on the band when Steve left. Angered some of my friends, that they offered me tickets to see Collins/Banks/Rutherford and I wouldn't even attend. But, the band was once so fantastic - I did not want to erase my memories of those wonderful early shows.