Which body builders have the most accurate blackguard body?

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  1. joshigh

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    Looking for the right thickness, router profile, neck pocket overhang, etc...

    I know Musikraft makes Blackguard bodies and necks, but are they accurate.

    I'm basically looking for a CS Nocaster body for a project.
     
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    What is your reference for accuracy? Blackguard bodies were basically hand built and had variances.
     
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    the thickness varied from around 1 ⅞ ths to about 1 9/16ths.... and the overall shape could vary considerably too...

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    And besides the bodies, let’s not talk about variations in neck carves, pickups and finishes....
     
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    I am sure either Musikraft or Warmoth vintage style teles would be within the range of what Fender would have put out.
     
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    Oh, I thought you were asking about this...
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    wrong elevator. step off now!
     
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    Musikraft ‘60s body with Fender brand guard bridge and control plate all lines up well. This one has flush ferrules.
    Correct edge radius too.

    If by "neck pocket overhang" you mean the little strip of exposed wood where the pocket is straight but the neck is tapered, this doesn't have that and I doubt the '50s body does either, but they could probably add that detail.

    One thing I like about these is that many bodies seem fatter and have a wide edge around the guard on the horn, where these have a nicer narrower reveal of wood.

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    Another musikraft body showing the ‘60s routing, again they can do the ‘50s routing.

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    Yeah I realize they weren't cutting them on CNC machines but in general, compared to what the CS is doing.
     
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    what do you mean by '60's routing?
     
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    That's just the term Musikraft uses for the change in circa '69 where the diagonal wire channel was eliminated, but of course most '60s routing was '50s routing...

    So not really an accurate or correct term, just a stock and ordering term.
     
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    I'm just messing with ya.. actually that body is pretty much incorrect for any year. As if it mattered...


    The earliest Broadcasters did not have the diagonal wire chase rout.. However it was incorporated rapidly thereafter to facilitate assembly.... And none of the bodies had such a truncated upper bout transition into the neck as seen on that body.. that one is roughly a ¾ radius, which IS correct for the vintage bodies.... but that particular one is not pronounced enough..

    It was after CBS took over that they introduced Number Controlled shapers, the precursor to CNC machines,, and they could not accommodate the 3/4 inch radius... thus the teles of that period used 1 ½" bits to shape the thing.. resulting is a very different looking transition..

    but ti the OP's original quandary.... re: vintage pre automation, each body was unique.. If you have an exact copy of a body from those years, it is an exact copy of only that one body, unless just by chance the next guys happened to shape, sand, etc the next one exactly like some other.


    Now some of those variations may only be a small fraction of an inch, and unnoticeable unless you're doing critical measuring... they are different none the less, and some of the variations can be rather significant... say ¼" in the width across the "hips" of the body....

    1950 broadcaster .. also note the hand done string ferrules...


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    1970's Tele

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    Yeah Ron it’s maybe not dead on but pretty close.
    Here’s the Musikraft laid over a late ‘50s Esquire body.

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    And here’s the same ‘50s body laid over the Musikraft, hard to get them lined up in the pic so both are visible but they’re pretty close.

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    Seems like as much as the rout into the "cutaway" being deeper on the original, instead the end of the neck pocket is longer. Hard to tell with hardware on the bodies.
     
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    This Esquire body is kinda, well, interesting in some of the details like the fine crafted patch in the cutaway. It’s also one where the guard aligns a little off center.
    Like you said they varied considerably!

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    My short answer is Musickraft blackguard bodies. I compared mine to two actual blackguards and it had the same general characteristics. The string holes and the neck pocket weren't sloppy like the originals but it had the proper dimensions, edge radius and the wood over hand on the neck pocket.
     
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    might just be camera alignment,. but my point is "exact" is not a word that is necessary for a guitar to perform superbly...

    rk
     
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