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When to recone cts alnicos in a super reverb

Discussion in 'Amp Central Station' started by adjason, Feb 1, 2021.

  1. adjason

    adjason Poster Extraordinaire Silver Supporter

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    so I have 1967 super reverb. I went through a few speakers but a few years ago I bought four cts alnicos from the online retail site. The guy sent a paper saying they had been checked out by a local speaker guru in Florida. They sound pretty good but when cranked up they can be fairly muddy. I go between thinking they are fine and thinking they should be reconed. Anybody ever reconed working speakers and been glad they did it? I have a local guy who recones but would hate for them to be worse than they are now or just sound the same
     
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    Vintage CTS are tough, unless the reconer is good.
    All part changes can make a difference. correct
    dust cover,surround, paper, ridge count, etc.
    imho
     
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    How loud are you playing?
    Years ago I had all 4 reconed in my 66. Still not sure they needed it. They came out wonderful . I used Orange County Speaker in LA. They turned them around in a week!
    But, they no longer do reconing. The guy who worked for them does though. I would definitely use him as he did them perfect to original spec back then. Ask him if he can still.

    Other than that, you could save them for posterity and put in 4 Ga SC64 10" They are light duty speakers. Dont make the mistake of putting loud heavy duty speakers in your Super... unless you are playing stadiums... Part of the sound is using 4 light duty speakers.
     
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    Are you adjusting your tone controls downward when pushing the amp? If not, then try that first.
    I personally would not recone those speakers unless there were tears and/or rubs. For not much more than the cost of reconing you could install 4 new Eminence ALK1028s and keep those CTS speakers in the boxes.
     
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    Amp in good shape? Not full of old electrolytic caps or anything like that?
    Asking because it's easy to mix up amp issues with speaker issues.

    That's said, the only CTS alnico I've had that was reconed was done by Midwest Speaker in the Twin Cities. Bought a '73 SFSR 20 years ago and speaker had just got back from them, still in the box. Put it in when I got home and I thought it was just as good as the rest of them.
    Over the next few years a combination of playing sorta loud and dried up glue claimed the other three, I just replaced them as they went. Always ment to recone them. :)
     
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    Recone them when they fail.

    Speakers don't gradually "go bad;" they either work well, or they don't.

    They get a rip in the cone and buzz, or they make goofy rubbing sounds and clicks when a spider unglues or a voice coil drops.

    Some speakers simply don't work well with a specific amp. Most weird symptoms like you're describing are almost always something out of spec in the amp circuit.
     
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    thanks all- yeah the amp has been worked on and brought up to spec/cap job etc years ago- no issues there. I like the speakers but after spending so much time hearing how magical cts alnicos are in a super reverb I just feel like I might be missing something. I don't usually play that loud but not too far under what hurts the ears.
     
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    As volume goes up, tone must go down. The FMV tone stack the first tone control acts like a global mid and bass control.

    As @Wally alluded to, If it's too high you will - depending on the amp and guitar find nasty harshness afflicting not only treble freqs, but mid and particularly bass freqs too. Try knocking a slight amount of treb, mid and bass off at volumes over 6.
     
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    Weber Speakers might be another good place to recone those CTS speakers, since they also make clones of those.
    Al
     
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    Any chance you have his contact info?
     
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    Messing with Supers is an old passion of mine.
    I will tell you the secret sauce here:
    Never, ever have those CTS' reconed unless they're actually gone bad.

    So, I get where you're coming from, I do.
    The CTS speaker has something special that very few other speakers do.
    I have boxes upon boxes of various guitar speakers here I've collected over the decades.
    Those CTS speakers have a sound all their own.

    What is that sound?
    Well, it isn't very hi-fi, is it? Nope.
    That speaker is All About thick, punchy Mids. And not much else.
    And that's where guitar players and guitar sound sits, in the mids.
    Those things OWN the mids, there's nothing else quite like them for what they do.

    But...too much of a singular good thing? Yeah, basically.
    So what I learned a long time ago was to use two CTS, and two of whatever else you choose to compliment them.
    Install them however your logic tells you, I usually put them in the top.
    Then modify the recipe with whatever else you want.
    You won't believe it, it's the best of all worlds, and I have swapped speakers in and out of my Supers at least a dozen times.
    I've tried all kinds of combinations.
    Pick something that doesn't focus on being mids-heavy and you'll win.
    And you only need a pair.

    I have a Marshall 1965 slant-top 4-10 closed-back cab that I do the exact same thing to, I love that CTS mids sound so much.
    I have a pair of CTS in the top, and I swap in and out various other 10's in the bottom as the mood strikes me.
    But any 4-10 I own will have a pair of CTS in them, and I have quite a few spares I bought years ago for when 'the day' comes.
    By themselves, they're nothing to get exited about.
    But when you know how to use them in a 'recipe', oh man, they Rule their mids turf.
     
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    Interesting - a mid-heavy speaker in an amp famous for cutting the mids. Compensation? Did the earliest Super Reverbs come with CTS or something else?
     
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    Earliest came with Jensen or CTS ceramic - not alnico, I think.
     
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    My super reverb cts-alnicos.

    Think they only used cts ceramics on their 12s or in princetons..
     
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    I have '64 Super with CTS ceramics.
     
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    Interesting
     
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    I think I spied 4 CTS ceramics in Anson Funderburgh's amp when he let me take a look once. That was the '64 SR he used up until gigging with the Maz 38's. I always liked the sound of his Super best.
     
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