When good amps sound bad, check the fingers.

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  1. RollingBender

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    I have several amps which I have built that sound very good. Clones of a Blackface Princeton, Blackface Deluxe, 18 watt Marshall, Matchless Spitfire, and Dr Z Carmen Ghia. All of them sound very much like their DNA should make them sound.

    Been playing with a guitar player who is a very competent picker and has been playing guitar for 40 years but has always played acoustic, not electric. No mater what electric guitar or what amp he plugs into, it just sounds bad.

    I can plug in, play something, then hand it to him...he plays the same thing and it sounds different.

    We have all seen or heard of great players who can pick up any guitar plugged into any amp and sound good. It seems to go the other way too.
     
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    Yep, gotta have the hands together for it to work
     
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    If you play well, a good amplifier will help you sound great. If you play badly, it will amplify that, too.
     
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    All my amps sound good. I must be in pretty good shape.
     
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    Two totally different instruments requiring different technique. Takes a while to learn each one. Acoustic players are going to tend to apply too much pressure to the strings and often sends them sharp. Right hand technique needs to be modified as well. But once you are used to both, the transition is much smoother.
     
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    I find I get my sound on any amp tube or solid state . Tone truly is in the hands of the player. All I own is solid state and I love them .
     
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    Reading the replies and thinking about this more deeply, it seems that tone is in the player’s ears, then head, then fingers, then sound. A feedback loop if you will. If you can’t hear that you have a crappy tone, you will do nothing to correct it.
     
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    Me too, I am now 100% solid state after many decades of hauling tube amps.
    No matter what guitar or amp, I have my sound. I took a long time to get there though.
     
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    So true.
     
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    Its funny, I learned later on that when I drive to gigs, I find that get if I hear my sound in my head as I drive on my car on the way to a gig, It always is a good sound when I eventually play.
     
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    can you make it sound like a phaser going into fuzz with your hands?
     
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    The truth
     
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    Some guys look at the Amp but they don't listen to it.
    They simply haven't developed an ear to look at the amp and know what is needed.

    Also, many of the Acoustic guys (not all) depend on the Bridge pup far too much.
    YEP!!!
     
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    I don't know, when I hear bad players through good amps, I can still tell there's something to the tone of the amp, just the player sounds bad and I wish they would stop.
     
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    Can you not? Sounds like someone needs to practice...
     
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    style is in the hands. tone is in the materials, the amp, and the signal processing.
     
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    Nope.

    I've read plenty of accounts from big name pros who say that some other big name pro played through their gear but sounded exactly like themselves (EVH is one that was mentioned a couple of times).
     
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    When good amps sound bad, check the fingers........no need, I already know why my AC30 doesn't sound as good as other people's AC30s.
     
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    make it sound like an octave delay using just your hands. make a grindcore set up sound like a surf setup without changing settings just using your hands. make it sound like an hm-2 using just your hands. all of that is tone.
     
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    Like this?
     
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