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When Dylan went electric

Discussion in 'Music to Your Ears' started by Larry F, Mar 27, 2017.

  1. Mjark

    Mjark Doctor of Teleocity Silver Supporter

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    I think aside from all the high-mindedness attributed to Dylan he was astute enough to see where the relevant and lucrative side of the music was and followed suit.
     
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    To the folk purists, this was beyond a violation.
    It was a style sensibility violation of their purity

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  3. uriah1

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    It was the East Coast catching up to the West Coast basically.
    Beatniks were gone and no more "Puff the magic dragon" on AM.
     
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    Just in terms of pop music? Because, since the start of electric guitars there were plenty of groups using acoustics with electrics.
     
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    They were still chasin' the dragon, on the airwaves...frolickcing in the Autumn mist, as it were
     
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    ...all I know is Bloomfield was tearing it up on that Tele... :) butternewport2.gif
     
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    Indeed...:cool:



    Mike B doesn't appear in the video until about 4:30, shortly before the booing begins.:rolleyes:
     
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    As The Great Folk Scare was winding down, the purists were upset that folk and its audience were moving past honest rural based music-original and recreated-and the political types were upset that there was lessenng political emphasis and more focus on imagery and poetry like Dylan or on the personal-singing about relationships and love, like pop music.

    The most wrenching and public event was Dylan having the temerity to go electric at Newport. And P. Seeger's agony and response.

    Notwithstanding by that time a few folk acts were recording with electric guitar and bass.

    Also recall how the folkies hated country and western music from California and Nashville, R&B, Soul and Rock n'Roll as commercialized fodder for the masses that stole from honest folk roots.
     
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    I had a passing acquaintance with old Puff. He was a mellow fellow.
     
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    Seeger's response was, Fellas, I'm afraid you're just too darn loud!

    And now history will remember Bob Dylan but will it remember Pete Seeger?
     
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    One of the many reasons I admire Bob so much. He was going to follow his Muse wherever it lead him and everybody else could go @#$% themselves. To stand in front of booing crowds night after night convinced that he was doing the right thing. It would have been so easy to grab his acoustic and say "Oops. Sorry. What was I thinking ?" How many of us would have been that strong. Talk about dedication to your art !
     
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    This was happening during and shortly after my musically formative years at uni in the UK. I can't recall my own reactions very well, but, being a folkie and a Stones fan at the time, I guess I just shrugged my shoulders at Dylan's change to electric. He has IMO never been strongly audience/performance oriented, and he always seems uncomfortable with his fame. I see him as a poet with music accompaniment rather than singer-songwriter. In retrospect, I think his change to electric was great - I like his performances a lot better in the "Hard Rain" period than that which preceded it.

    What do you mean by Seeger and Lomax being "bent out of shape"?
     
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    "Play f...ing Loud!"

     
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    He rode the folk thing as far as he could take it. he and Albert Grossman saw an opportunity.

    Folk stood for something specific, and he clearly appeared to endorse it. Heartily. Not a fan of folk music, but he repudiated a lot of the things he endorsed earlier in his career. They had good reason to be annoyed at him
     
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    They were pissed at him before he even went electric. I just think they were angry people. Never happy. There's no talking to people like that.

    In a beautiful twist of irony, when he started touring again in '74 with basically the same musicians and same songs they couldn't get enough.
     
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    I talked with Mickey Jones at a Nokie Edwards festival(Nokiefest). He was Dylan's drummer at the time.

    Just a direction that Dylan wanted to go to, expand, if you will. And if anyone had a problem with it.

    "TOO BAD"!
     
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    No, we wouldn't remember him if he stopped there, but I did find that surprisingly haunting and moving.
     
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    The way I heard it was Dylan wanted out of his recording contract with Columbia Records, but he still owed them two albums, so he knocked out Self Portrait as a double album to free himself from Columbia. His heart wasn't in it.
     
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    Ahh, the old Beatles White Album trick. #9,#9,#9,#9
     
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    If, instead of booing and whatnot, the audiences had dramatically dissipated, I wonder if Dylan and manager would have re-thought the electric thing?

    While people don't like being booed (this was why Levon declined to go on tour, and was replaced by Micky Jones), it certainly is great PR and stirs up excitement. But I think you would have to be working a long con, so to speak, to see the value of being booed while it was happening.
     
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