Wheedly?

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  1. Marshall_Stack

    Marshall_Stack Friend of Leo's

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    This "wheedly wheedly" term - what does it mean?
    In some uses it seems to infer general wanking around - other times maybe hammer ons and pull offs without a cause - does it refer to a more significant/specific technique?
     
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    Really? A flash animation from early interweb days?

    So wheedly = ascending pentatonic.

    Correct?

    What about the dragon in the niiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight?
     
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    It doesn't accurately describe anything, other than Dave Mustaine.:lol:

    I prefer to call it "Turkeys On Acid".
     
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    Basic: Take three notes and play it over and over in straight sixteen notes.

    Advanced: Take five notes and play it over and over in straight sixteen notes.
     
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    See then video at 1st post, in this thread

    That's about it.
     
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    OK.

    If it means many notes without a purpose - arpeggios from hell, as it were - then I get it.
    I won't listen to it - but I get it.
    Aeolian and minor harmonic need love too.
     
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    Brad Paisley does it too. I prefer Keith Urban. I will now duck to avoid the rocks and tomatoes that are coming my way.
     
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    Keith Urban Rocks!
     
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    :D
     
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    Brad Paisley tomatoes!
     
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    I think 'wheedly' is more appropriately spelled 'wheedily' because it's usually describing triplet wankery, which is probably the most common. The reason wheedily works so well is because it has 3 syllables like a triplet wee-duh-lee = tri-puh-let = 1-and-ah. In fact I think I'll use 'wheedily' to count triplets from now on.
     
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    It's pronounced A-holian for a reason.
     
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    They bring substance to the phrase "Less is More"!

    BTW, notice how this was filmed with a long lens ........ Mother of god, the children, stop the children running towards the stage!
     
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    To me it's more ... "look at me, look at me, look at me ... "
     
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    I use the term a lot. Granted, it is a pretty critical term, but I find the technique useful in my toolbox, as it is a very specific change of pace kind texture. I think most people, including me, don't need to be able to do this well, but I enjoy the feel in my hands when I lock in and do it with good timing and flow. For me, the key to successful wheedling is to move it around, pitch-wise, and combine it with a longer note here and there. I also think syncopation is critical. The most common form is a hemiola, where you play a 3-note pattern as 16ths (which accent every 4th subdivision of the beat). You can also play a 4-note pattern in triplets. Or, for that matter, a pattern of any number of notes that are repeated, over a metrical pattern that locks in after a certain number of notes, then goes out of phase again, then returns to syncronicity, then out of phase. You can do this with quintuplets and, actually, any number of subdivisions of the beat and any number of notes. Walter Trout does it as good or better than anyone else that I know. Granted, it is over-used and is more of a display of prowess or just outright showing off, but there is a place for that in music, if used effectively. Here is one of my favorite Walter Trout intros: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JSbZBZjIDVI

    I should also mention that I associate this with more of a blues-rock style than other blues styles. I have been paying attention to when this kind of pattern occurs in earlier musicians (by earlier, I mean Matt Murphy, Otis Rush, Freddie King). Clapton seems to use this technique to give the listener a rest from the more rhythmically differentiated stuff. Going into a wheedly section is a good way to keep the energy up, while also letting the listener sort of regroup.

    Despite my singing its praises, above, I still have to say it can be a pretty tasteless thing to do.
     
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    I use the term " Dweedly" the D sound being the only note with purpose the "weedly" being all that crap that follows it.
     
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