what's your oppinion about jim lill ? He shows that most of the hearable difference between amps come from the tone stack and cab

[Pat_rocks92]

I just saw this video and i must admit that many things he said i tested them in real life and got the same result.

I had an expensive amp with tube and ss rectifier and the difference in playing feel and tone was almost none.



the part that shocked me the most was when he compared 6v6 and el84 and the tone was almost exactly the same.

do you think that his methology is dubious ?

and where his statements deserve more testing ?

 

[sax4blues]

I find his videos interesting and entertaining. Do the work.

 

[Swirling Snow]

the part that shocked me the most was when he compared 6v6 and el84 and the tone was almost exactly the same.

6V6s and EL84s each have a lot more character than their bigger brethren, so if Jim has convinced you they are similar, I think he's done you a disservice.

 

[Old Verle Miller]

I have mentioned this in a post before - most human beings are not equipped to accurately compare and thus evaluate sounds they hear sequentially.
A somewhat more accurate methodology involves recording and then hearing the two "different" signals/sounds separated in two ears at the same time.
Even then, any minor differences may not even be discernable (not everyone hears equally in both ears).
To be scientifically viable, it would have to be repeated across a fairly large test population.
Everything else is just gut feel.
Your mileage may vary.

 

[Phrygian77]

While watching his speaker cab video, I mostly distracted by the visuals and the absurd pace of it. Kind of reminded me of something out of a Wes Anderson film.

The thing is, aside from tone, he doesn't get into the other reasons why you probably don't want a speaker cabinet made out of OSB, or anything else not strictly tone related.

 

[NoTeleBob]

I thought it was well done. Certainly should be watched by everyone. His tests are not perfect but they are an eye opener.

 

[David Barnett]

So do all amps without tone stacks sound the same?

 

[Pat_rocks92]

I've red on some forums that the fact that he plays mostly low gain and clean sound bias his results.

 

[Phrygian77]

So do all amps without tone stacks sound the same?

I think the quick pace and absence of varying levels of dynamics makes it a bit deceiving.

 

[tubedude]

Also, negative feedback vs. no feedback.
Valiant effort, but short clips at one level say little. And he misses half the issue as he doesn't address feel.

 

[zook]

If it's on the internet it must be true

I haven't listened to the video, but there are many folks there who think they are the gospel of information..

The concept that is presented is not true.

 

[Blrfl]

Also, negative feedback vs. no feedback.
Valiant effort, but short clips at one level say little. And he misses half the issue as he doesn't address feel.

Nobody else addresses "feel," either. What does "feel" mean? How can I measure it?

 

[tubedude]

The same way you "measure" happiness. There's no objective scale, and it's different for everyone.
But when you've played enough amps you'll know it.
It's how the amp responds to your playing at a certain level. It "gives in" a little to your attack, responding non-linearly, some say "spongy".
It's where dynamics in your signal drive the amps distortion combined with compression. Some designs do this well and some just don't. The transition is mainly dependent on the power supply's design. The dynamic area where sag and distortion come together and transition over a small but workable range. You'll know it when you feel it. But as far as measurements...what's the flavor of clouds. Not everything can be measured. And not every measurement has meaning.

 

[printer2]

I agree that the circuit determines the sound than the parts, be that EL 84 or 6V6. He does a world wind tour of amp circuits. Just like taking in all of Rome in a day as a tourist. Some of what he says is valid, some dot so much. I have not seen the video in a while, there was a couple of threads on it before.

 

[David Barnett]

Same guy has another video where he concludes that the sound of a real amp in a room is irrelevant, that the classic tones all guitarists are chasing are the sound of a recording of an amplifier with a microphone in a room, that has been post-processed and mastered.

I find his logic, uh, lacking.

 

[bottlenecker]

the classic tones all guitarists are chasing

He does seem to believe in some kind of objectively "good" tone. Maybe for him there is; whatever gets him paid. I think he's chasing some kind of working method (and clicks) that will make the job simpler for him.
Thank golly all guitarists aren't chasing the same sounds, because I'm bored out of my skull by most of them as it is.

 

[generic202]

I admire his effort and I agree and disagree on a few points.

At the end of the day, it's just one person's observation based on a loose experiment. Even if you think his methods are sound scientific research, then it's just a sample size of 1. Not enough data to make any conclusions.

 

[Pat_rocks92]

I admire his effort and I agree and disagree on a few points.

At the end of the day, it's just one person's observation based on a loose experiment. Even if you think his methods are sound scientific research, then it's just a sample size of 1. Not enough data to make any conclusions.

it's true that the sample of amps was too small.

i would have liked to see a soldano and a josé in the mix as those are hot rods differences might be way more observable.

 

[TunedupFlat]

I found his clickbait video sadly lacking.

Let's take one part of an amp at a time and make conclusions based on only that one part.

I get how he needed to do something to earn an income with Nashville being shut down at the time, but I just found his approach distasteful and his conclusions half cocked.

If he just would have made the point that as long as it produces a musical sound it doesn't really matter what you are using, I might have been less annoyed...

 

[Tim S]

Every time I enter a new thread and see the same still-frame of that video, I audibly groan