What's the Difference between Rock and Metal?

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  1. davidge1

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    If you read my entire post, I said "To me,…" HINT... that means it's my opinion.

    Beyond that, it's understood by most people who are into music that the meaning of the term "heavy metal" has evolved since it was coined by a Rolling Stone writer to describe the music of Humble Pie or some similar band from that time.

    Van Halen created a sound and style of playing that, in 1978, was different than what had come before. Everything that I heard in the '80s that was called "heavy metal" or "metal" sounded TO ME like Van Halen. I have no idea what happened in that genre after that.
     
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    Heavy metal has its place, I’m sure. It’s not something I listen to, or want to listen to. Where is the melody?

    I have an Anthrax CD that I bought by mistake, and I would gladly send it to anybody who wants..... wait, that’s right, I gave it away.
     
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    To me there is hard rock and there is metal. Hard Rock, imo has more range, it can heavy, happy,tough,sad etc. Metal to me is more dark sounding. but that's just me. I guess scorpions have music that is metal or hard rock. Its confusing.
     
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    Rock guitar is played on more than just two strings, the E and A.
     
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    I’m not sure the OP was talking about subclass on the flowchart. Maybe?

    80’s Metal was more of a mid-scoop, or disemboweling of tone.

    Pre-80’s rock? Not tone whacked by comparison.
     
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    Hard rock is rock 'n' roll and more melodic. Metal takes only the "rock" part and discards the roll.
     
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    Some younger friends of mine from the city were searching for a band name...

    they looked at planets and their descriptions online and found Mercury's description as... rock surface with a metal core...

    that's it, that's us...... called their first band Merkury... now they play as Xile Systems...

    they were playing mettallica covers in highschool.. and later on metallica tribute shows.. they even met the guys backstage on a tour...


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    Heavy metal is a form of rock, so there's overlap. No need to complicate it. Both terms are pretty vague, and arguing over whose concept of either one or the other is a waste of time. May as well try to "define" art, or love. ZZZzzzz.
     
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    It's simply a social construct.

    In 30 years, like Rock and Roll and Punk, the meaning of the words will change to mean something else.

    At this point in time, at a rock concert, you tend to see women dancing with each other...

    At a metal concert, the men dance with each other.
     
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    The kind of metal I like has classical type layering, guitar harmonies, lots of melodies and broad range of almost operatic vocals. Probably why my two favourite bands of all time are Queen and Iron Maiden.

    I don't find Iron Maiden particularly dark and depressing. They often have christian themes in their songs and an uplifting feeling that breaks through the oppression. Feelings of hope, peace and redemption are often tangible. Rhyme of the Ancient Mariner, Total Eclipse etc are great examples.
     
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    what’s really interesting is listening to early Sabbath and Judas Priest. Those bands were considered “metal” and were way heavier than their contemporaries, but are nowhere near as heavy as they became or as heavy as some bands are now.

    That said, I firmly believe it’s possible to write and record “heavy” music without a lot of distortion. There are some incredible post-rock bands that accomplish this quite admirably.
     
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    My favorite metal band for the last few years is Angra, a Brazilian proggy power metal group. If you havent heard them you should give them a listen.

    To paraphrase Justice Stewart, I can't define metal but I know it when I hear it.
     
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    I'm the OP and I just want to thank everyone for making this a fun and interesting thread. I learned a lot here!
     
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    a step or two lower tuning
     
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    It's in the swing, or the lack of.
     
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    and in some instances lust....



    or a mixture thereof...

     
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    Seems these blokes had one foot planted firmly in each camp...

     
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    Generally true, tho...

     
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    has a lot to do with which band's t-shirt you wear
     
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    Rock = minerals, Metal = elements....
     
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