What's the Difference between Rock and Metal?

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  1. RoCkstAr256

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    Ok but whats the difference between djent and metal?


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  2. codamedia

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    Who am I to get into a debate with an amp guru such as yourself :)... but seriously... Priests "Unleashed in the East" came out in 1979... a year or two prior to the original JCM 800... and the "tone" is captured all over that album! I know that would have been an original MV 2204 or 2203... I'm just pointing out that the tone came before the official JCM800.

    One could argue that Priest was not a metal band, but history says they are. This was all before the commercialism of "Breaking the Law" and "Screaming for Vengeance"... a few years before they got "soft" as some might suggest.

    IMO... Not my favorite Priest example, but this has all the ingredients of metal. Sure it's evolved... but one shouldn't discount it's earlier years.

     
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    Humor me for a moment and listen to Metallica, "Orion" in the clip above.

    No anger.

    No angst.

    No "Cookie Monster" vocals (expressing anger and angst).

    It's very nicely orchestrated, a demonstration how a coupla guitar can sound like an orchestra.

    Disregarding a few of the very heavy Christian rock bands or course.

    Resolved or unresolved, that's besides the point.

    I grew up in a very angry household. My old man was the original Angry Man, one of countless wife beaters of the era. Not that there aren't wife beaters in this era, or wife beater wannabes...

    My brother and I got anything that was left over.

    I inherited my old man's rage, full force.

    The NYC Punk scene circa early '80s was a cozy little home for me.

    I don't abide by that level of anger in music anymore. Righteous indignation, maybe.

    Remember, there were musicians centuries before there were journalists. It has always been our duty as musicians to tell it like it is.
     
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    See what I mean by the lines being blurry?

    How is a Marshall 2203 or 2204 not a JCM800? They're the JCM800s.

    They were more readily available to Priest in '79. Priest didn't have to pay the 55% (or more!) premium we had to pay for the same amps.

    Until 1980...

    Priest was happenin' in Europe before people heard of 'em here. When "metal" took off here, various miners and prospectors took notice.

    I'll raise you an Uncle Ted.

    :D :D :D



    Hey! The venue has gotta be Penn's Peak.



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    I think the main thing that lets Metal down is, a lack of emphasis on intellectually based themes or at least some evidence of complex or advanced thought processes.

    Anger is fine; anger is good, but IMO only if the writer or performer has something important to say. Arrrgh, like the Incredible Hulk does, is simply not even close to enough. Even if the lyrics/theme don't convey solutions to problems, IMO they do need to look for and identify problems in actual, meaningful detail. "Arrrgh, we need to return to 1950" (Uncle Ted) obviously isn't the resolution of the source of the tensions - it is the celebration of them.



    There's probably some hip hop in the lyrics, but this should qualify as metal. If it doesn't qualify, is it because Coughlan is trying to point out a set of social circumstances he feels needs fixing? Will the Metal Community reject any and all music that shows concern for the human condition in anything but fantastical terms?
     
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    You forgot one.
     
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    I don't know (or care, really). But something with how much the guitarist really wants to be a bassist, and vice versa, would be my best guess.
     
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    Anything round with a bite out of it looks like a C.

    Nothing more metal than that.

    Love the vocals on this track.

     
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    Hmm.

    In covering this, it never occurred to me that SOYL was "heavy" in the way that metal would come to be. Too slow, for one thing.

    I'm suggesting this one (and a big thumbs up to the Young Ted, before he became stupid)



    Watching this dub video is so funny. I can't count all the guitarist friends who adopted this "Ted Face" after they saw him on TV or in concert, that I knew. One guy especially. Heh.
     
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    Isn't this sort of like asking what is the difference between sound, noise and music. Or what is good and what is bad. There really is no answer, there is only, sometimes, common consensus. I always mistrust anyone who tries to get all definitive about things like these. Or I just think they are kind of naive.



    Man I sure love angus young, but I don't think I can just define him.

     
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    The main thing that lets music down, all of it is we're primarily here to provide a soundtrack for a room fulla drunks.

    I asked one of my drug and alcohol counselor buddies, "What is the difference between happy drunks and angry drunks?"

    He replied, "They're all angry drunks."

    How much nuance you gonna communicate to a crowd who have liberated themselves from a substantial portion of their mental faculties?

    The only thing I want from 1950 is one of those toothy Buick Rivieras. If I have to go back to '47 or so to get a Fastback I'll take a '47.

    I'd put a Cummins turbodiesel under that big ol' hood.


    Time sure flies. These tunes are a quarter century old already.

    NSFW language and sentiment.



    It's sorta neo- Rockabilly if you play it clean.

    :D :D :D



    There is almost no guitar left in the guitar tone. It's all crunch.


    No point to be made here. Cool tune! RIP Lemme, RIP David.




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    chuggaa chugga
     
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    Robert Smith/Cure are clearly not metal, but you had better bring the best plugs you can find because it is really, really loud. As in, a big favorite band of mine and I still had to leave early kind of loud - despite plugs.
     
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    What about acoustic metal?

     
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    Well, this won't settle the discussion, but it's a pretty good description of what metal is (and I say that as a recovering metalhead).
     
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    Your'e not kidding... ;)

    The original 2204 (2203) is just the Marshall JMP MV amps initially released around '76, then the MKII (more gain) around '78 or '79... almost all Canadian acts in the late 70's were using these. The music stores were wall papered with these amps - they were everywhere. That's why I was surprised when you said the US had to wait until the JCM 800 to get that tone.

    I'm not suggesting you don't know this stuff.... but others may not if their introduction was the JCM800 in '80 or '81.
     
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    Never mind.
     
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    It's 10 vs 11...
     
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    Rocks are solid, naturally occurring inorganic substances that can be found in the earth’s crust.

    Metals are elementary substances, such as gold, silver and copper that are crystalline when solid and naturally occurring in minerals.

    :D
     
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