What's the Difference between Rock and Metal?

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  1. davidge1

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    People used the term "heavy metal" before Van Halen – but to me, Van Halen and everything that was influenced by that was "heavy metal." Van Halen was the dividing line, not Black Sabbath. Metal is a more modern sound and the guitar is more influenced by classical music
     
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    I'd say Metal is just an obvious evolution of Heavy Rock. I look at it this way;

    Steppenwolf > Led Zep > Black Sabbath > Metal is a simplistic way to describe the evolutionary path.

    I turned off the radio for 15 years at "Metal", so I know exactly when it happened.

    Edit: missed @davidge1 's comment. Yup, Van Halen is really the one that made me turn the radio off, so that is about right on my timeline.
     
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    i was going to make a geologist comparison but then i was like...nah why bother
     
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    Metal God,,,
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    Rock God,,,
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    rock was blues played faster
    metal was rock played faster
    death metal you shred your fingers

    then there was death metal donkey
     
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    It's related to how pointy your guitar is.
     
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    To be straight-up honest,it's mostly a case of "I know it when I hear it" (to paraphrase Justice Potter Stewart) and the dividing line becomes less clear as you approach it. Even then, it depends on the experience and preferences of the listener; I'm sure there are some folks that consider anything with distorted guitars to be 'Heavy Metal', and some Extreme Metal diehards might consider AC/DC to be straight-up Blues.

    If I was hard-pressed for an answer, I think I could say two things about any given Rock/Metal song:
    1 - If girls wanna dance to it, it's Rock. Anything beyond that line is likely to be Metal.
    2 - If you can play it as a 12-bar shuffle rhythm on an acoustic guitar and it sounds good, it's Rock. If it sounds like a mess, it's likely Metal.

    Even then, there are and will be exceptions to those rules. It's music, man...
     
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    You know, when you put a roast in the oven and the oven is preheated to 375?

    When you take the roast out at the right time, that's rock.

    When you leave it in there two additional hours, that's metal.
     
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    Metal has pointier guitars.

    This very specific Venn diagram explains a bit (note 'music they play at the gym' outside of quantifiable area):
     

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    Jajaja, I am a geologist... but I will make a brief explanation regarding pedals

    Metal: Distortion

    Hard Rock: Overdrive
     
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    Metal usually has different themes to rock. Rock tends to be more human about relationships and having fun. Mostly grounded in reality.

    The earlier metal I prefer tends to be darker themed, faster paced, more melodic and make believe. Story telling, fantasy, war, swords and sorcery, occult etc.

    When it split off into even harder, faster paced varieties with abyssal sounding guttural voices I kind of got turned off of the genre but I still feel those are the most obvious general differences.
     
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    Obviously no real answer to this stuff, I've no idea why anyone thinks Brian would be an expert.
    The TV series Metal Evolution is good, it talks about rock becoming metal ( IIRC) when you lose the blues. As a rough dividing line I'd go with that. A Slipknot or a Lamb of God don't have shuffles, improvised solos, play blues changes...
     
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    Metal is rock with the fun taken out.
     
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    Easy: Rock is good....sometimes.
    Metal never is.
     
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    Maybe I'm giving poor examples, but hard rock is more choppy and slow, with stadium choruses, like this:


    This is metal, faster and more flowing:


    This, despite the lyrics, is hard rock:
     
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    Metal is rock played by people who never heard of Chuck Berry.:D
     
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    Forums are an excellent source of ignorance and stupidity.
     
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    I'm seeing a strong bias against Metal ;) I like rock music, period. When I think of trying to classify it, it falls apart. Brian Johnson has one of the most aggressive voices in rock - more aggressive than most "classic heavy metal", but AC DC is still rock, and Brian was very bluesy in style, despite the aggression. When I think of the first real heavy metal bands of the 80s I think of Iron Maiden, Ozzy, Quiet Riot, Dokken, Ratt. I consider Zep and Sabbath to be evolutionary steps, although Sabbath was and is among the heaviest sounding out there (not to confuse "heavy" with fast or simply more distortion). Then there's Van Halen, hard rock for sure, but unique and hard to classify, was it a form of Metal early on? Maybe, maybe not. We certainly considered it so, back in the day, but no one had heard anything like them before.

    Then, there's Motley Crue. Love them or hate them, they were able to pivot more than any other 80s Rock/Metal/Hair band, continually refining their sound:

    Too Fast For Love - some evolution of Punk turning into Metal?
    Shout at the Devil - pure classic Heavy Metal
    Theatre of Pain - Hard blues Rock + Glam Rock? Some nice slide guitar in there
    Girls Girls Girls/Dr. Feelgood - Hard Rock with commercial appeal

    Okay - I admit it - I appreciate Motley Crue, but I do appreciate a very wide range of music and respect talented musicians from any genre, whether I like the music or not.

    One final note. I always considered Barracuda from Heart to be possibly one of the first classic Heavy Metal songs. The guitar sound isn't heavy but the riffage and vocal line are pure 80s Metal before its time.

    ;)
     
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    It's a matter of musical scales. Rock it's based on pentatonic and blues scale; metal refuse to use this scales to achieve a diferent sound
     
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    Metal is angry not as many leads and more leather.
     
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