What would you do? (Kansas content)

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  1. MisterZ

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    I am a member of the local community chorus, and as such I'm occasionally asked to play guitar for various pieces. This summer as part of our annual concert of lighter music our director handed me "Dust In The Wind" and said "This would sound better with guitar than with piano".

    Here's my question: I'm also playing on a couple of other songs and using an electric. Should I also play this one on the electric or also bring an acoustic and have them mic me? Using the electric would be easier on both me and the sound guys, but it would probably sound better on acoustic.

    I may have just answered my own question, but I'm now curious how y'all would handle it.
     
  2. toomuchfun

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    I'd work on as tasteful an electric version as possible, maybe with a little chorus to soften it up. You didn't say if it is inside or outside, to me an acoustic with a mic could encounter wind and other issues where a electric might not.

    And I'd see what your sound people has to say, maybe they're up for a challenge. Best of luck.
     
  3. 68tele

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    Bring both.
    Determine which sounds better during soundcheck.
    Play the better sounding guitar.
     
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    In my limited opinion, an electric will never sound exactly like an acoustic and vice versa - but you can get a passable approximation of the feel with some effort. Someone mentioned chorus - which is one possibility - and Boss used to make an acoustic simulator pedal (maybe still does) that I’ve used to get acoustic like tones onstage.

    to me, figuring out what will best serve the gig will require considering what will make me as the player most comfortable with the piece.

    good luck!!
     
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    Assuming you will finger pick it like the original, I would use an electric with chorus and some light reverb.
     
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    Borrow or rent a Fender Acoustasonic.
     
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    Lots of good Kansas songs...
     
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    Acoustic guitars almost always sound horrible when they plugged in. If more people were honest about that we could’ve avoided an entire generation of bad sounding “acoustic” performances

    Use your electric played clean
     
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    I would try both at a rehearsal and then get feedback from the choir. I agree with some chorus and reverb but experiment on what you would say sounds the best.
     
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    Age old question: do you sacrifice tone for convenience?

    And IMHO, the Acoustasonic Tele won't solve the problem.

    I test drove one when it first came out. To my ear, it can do passable tele bridge sounds (I wasn't overly impressed with that Noiseless4 pickup, YMMV), if it's strung with nickelplated steel strings and it's plugged into something like a DRRI (as I was for the test drive) or other respectable amp for tele playing.

    Or it can give you useable acoustic tones if it's strung with phosphor bronze strings and it's plugged into an amp for acoustic/electric (e.g., Fishmoan Loudbox) or a PA (as I was for the test drive).

    Again, just my opinion here, but it can't do both equally well with just the flip of a switch. To me, that guitar is an either/or, not a both/and. And that kind of defeats the purpose behind it, doesn't it?

    Seems to me, though, you've still got good options, as they've already been discussed here. You didn't specify what electric guitar you're considering. If it's the Tele in your avatar pic, I would try both pickups in parallel before going to a humbucker neck pickup alone. But then not all humbuckers are created equal. If played clean it doesn't get muddy or dark and gives you clarity and a throatiness, maybe that'll work.

    I just tried it on one of my teles. I don't have a tele with a neck humbucker. I used one with DiMarzio Twang King pickups, and tried it both with both in parallel and just the neck pickup alone. I was plugged into one of my VOX Pathfinder 15Rs, and used the amp's tremolo (speed & depth both set low, as in 9 o'clock) and reverb (set at 2 o'clock, since the reverb pan on the 15R is small and needs to be cranked more to really get wet). Either way works for me. I then added in some chorus via my BOSS ME-70, and that was good, too.
     
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    Gaaah! Now I have that song stuck in my mind. Thanks for that. :mad:
     
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    I've played that song a lot - on electric and acoustic. Not gigged it, but played it. My observations are these:

    1 - an electric guitar typically has more sustain than acoustic and it makes the song sound a little different. Not bad, just different. I use a lighter touch and grip with playing it on the electric (than normal for an electric). I'd stay away from a compressor and work on a nice even touch.
    2 - Aside from the obvious "tone" of the instruments, the wound third string is the biggest difference to my ears. I have to consciously take it easy on the third string when playing electric.

    But my opinion is this: a compelling tone is a compelling tone is a compelling tone. If you can serve the song and make it sound good on an electric, then do it! Makes it easier on everyone - you AND the soundman. It sounds like they were thinking about trying to play it on a keyboard?? Anything you bring to the table will improve that.

    The only other thing that comes to mind is the violin solo. Will they have a violinist? Or use a keyboard? If they're using a keyboard, I'd lean towards using an electric. But if they're having a real violinist play, I think a real acoustic would compliment the ensemble sound very well.
     
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    Thanks - lots of great advice here.

    To answer a couple of questions posed above, I'd be using my Gretsch Electromatic Pro Jet through a Katana 50, both on this and the other things I'm playing on. If acoustic, I'd go with a cheap nylon-string that I've used before.

    It is an outdoor performance, weather permitting, which makes me lean more toward the Gretsch.

    As to that violin solo...believe it or not, that's being done by the chorus.
     
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    Perfect! I'd go Gretsch, hands down. The Katana is a great choice, too - you should be able to dial something in that sounds great for that song.
     
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    PXL_20210721_220828401.jpg Gig was tonight - I did indeed use the Pro Jet through the Katana 50 mk 1.

    Had the amp on 25w setting, and it was miked, so really I was using it as a monitor for the chorus. Turns out that I played the violin solo on "Dust In The Wind" (RIP Robby Steinhardt) instead of the chorus singing it. The Gretsch was great on "Ghost Riders In The Sky", my big number.

    All in all a pretty good performance!
     
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    Whenever I'm in Kansas, I try to head West on I-70 as quickly as possible so I can get to Colorado.

    Sorry I couldn't resist. :D
     
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    Electrified acoust
    Couldn't agree more. I've yet to hear an electrified acoustic guitar that didn't sound like @## to my ears. Sorry, JMHO. Use a real acoustic guitar and mic it if conditions allow. I'm in a bluegrass band and we mic our acoustic instruments all the time. Find someone that plays in a bluegrass band. They're used to micing acoustic instruments.
     
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    Did you drive past the tree?
     
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    Yup.

    Better to skip "Dust in the Wind" altogether, IMhumbleO.
     
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