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What was wrong with Punk?

Discussion in 'Bad Dog Cafe' started by offsideref, Apr 7, 2021.

  1. mindlobster

    mindlobster Tele-Afflicted

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    It was great, lots of new acts came up, and it kept the oldies on their toes. On Facebook a work-friend still says that 'punk is the worst thing that ever happened to music' - he's obsessed with the glory days of prog rock; a shame he could never get beyond that.
     
  2. northernguitar

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    Ha! I have a mate who's the same. He can't even enjoy The Ramones. I think that if one can't appreciate The Ramones, they are devoid of joy. :lol:
     
  3. Telecaster88

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    Punk rock saved my life. If it weren't for punk I wouldn't be posting here today on TDPRI, I'd be six feet underground. Punk was the first thing i found that taught me I was okay the way I was, and not only to accept my flaws/limitations, but to use them as sources of creative power.

    More than anything, punk is a way of engaging with the world, with honesty, autonomy, and open eyes.

    Were/are there problems with Punk? Sure, like anything. There are a lot of us though that sought to break out of those problems and use the clear-sightedness of punk to make a sustainable way of life... based on human-scaled expression, integrity, sharing, and in opposition to the greed and casual cruelty of mainstream life.

    Even now, at age 52, I use the things I learned in punk every day.

    Now, if you'll excuse me, I need to step down from my soapbox and get back to work... o_O!
     
  4. FMajor7add9

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    I hear you but can't feel your narrow definition of or idea about music.

    How about: music = anything with a rhythmic, repetitive beat ?

    the fashion statements were also ingrained in folkie and hippie culture beforehand I guess so makes sense next movement or reaction looked for their space

    Squeeze is new to me, will look them up, thanks

    spot on

    Steve Albini sums this strand up perfectly, both as a musician and a producer and publisher outside the socalled music business

    I was born a minor in 1975 so missed the future shock of punk but can't escape the tales anyway from those who had their formative youth years punked out.

    In my mid-20s I accidently came by a punk concert of some sort in a street, with 100 some kids banging out to horrible songs played on un-tuned instruments, but the energy got to me anyway and I never forgot it and stopped moaning about 'bad' music from then on (almost).

    When I hear rappers rap today I apply the same filter, you may not have access to musical tools like instruments and a chance to learn to play them, but you can always speak your mind to a beat and show your attitude and express yourself that way.

    My niece is attending a high school with extra music curriculum, one of their written homework projects this winter was on punk and I listened in and offered my grumpy uncle POW.

    The Clashs' Clampdown was part of the assignment, 10 pages sheet music and all, struck me how fairly 'normal' it sounds today, a fast rock song with some distinct riffs and breaks. Niece didn't pick up on any aggressive attitude either so out of its context it's perhaps harder to fathom how and why punk was so punk.
     
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  5. Hari Seldon

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    LOL
    My "narrow idea" of music goes from playing AC/DC in a cover band to Mendelssohn in a string quartet ;- )
    My CDs alone go from Aaron Copland to ZZ Top.
    (Dancing to music is ok for me, and who cares anyway...)
     
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  6. FMajor7add9

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    In the socialist free-for-all land of peace and shared wealth I live in we can of course also watch documentaries without any ad-breaks for free financed by through the roof taxation rates that almost takes away our freedom and stops us doing anything worthwhile.

    So I watched some of
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/End_of_the_Century:_The_Story_of_the_Ramones
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    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punk_(TV_series)

    Fantastic stories told. Iggy Pop's family comes to mind, living in a trailer, letting him play drums in the living 'room' because the kid liked to play drums. Drums were a bit large to get around day by day so he was given the largest room to fit his drums in better there by his bed.

    Ramones punking it out to the end. Wanted so desperately to be in on the rock band thing, invented 2 minutes songs (?) just because that's how long their songs were.

    Not sure if there are geo locking on these, if there is this Chrome add-on may be able to pick them up anwyay:
    https://www.dr.dk/drtv/soeg?q=ramones
     
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  7. Thoughtfree

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    I dug The Ramones. Saw the original lineup here in Minneapolis. I think I responded to their disciplined aura. They had a well-defined aesthetic that they adhered to.

    I disliked The Replacements (from Minneapolis as I was). They had a "cute drunkard" image that seemed way pretentious. During their heyday, I and many of my friends on the TC music scene were trying to play our instruments well, yet this sloppy band was idolized by the local critics.

    In answer to the OP, there is nothing wrong with Punk. Just another subgroup in the wide world of "live entertainment". An audience was identified, a type of music sprang up to meet its need, and money changed hands, just as it did for any other type of musical performance.
     
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    Punk suffered the same fate as alternative music in the 90s. Once it got popular, it lost its appeal. The whole point was to be non- conforming.
     
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    That song isn't really punk, Maybe some punk attitude, but when you talk about a style, it has to have some of the original sound of the style. It sounds like the same band, but not necessarily punk.
     
  10. BorderRadio

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    That’s why there are different rituals with music. No explanation necessary, body movement optional.

    That’s why there’s punk, to throw that album in the trash where it belongs?

    Take it easy guys, it’s punk. Get it and go, leave it when you get bored and move on. :)
     
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    Bunch of grown ups.
     
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    It might be hard to find another song from pre-punk era that deals with both the roots of fascism and how that ideology relates to someone experiencing the economic exploitation inherent in the class system.

    Maybe that's what's was wrong with punk? Actual relevant and dangerous social commentary that threatened the established social order and economic systems? A voice/platform to those who never had one?
     
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    Manu Chao was hot around here some years ago. I know nada spanish but could pick up his fairly direct political messaging from imagery, attitude and interviews of course. Point being maybe Ska, in some parts of the world, is expressing the angered voice of some of the peoples and used as activism soundtrack.
     
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    If it was rephrased as what is wrong with punk it would be the same as The Beatles or Led Zeppelin or Jimi Hendrix which is that the mythology starts to bear little relationship with the truth ( including the anti mythology that it was just three chords and noise).

    In many ways the good thing about punk was that it opened the door what came after, a lot of punk was still chest beating men with guitars so not all that different from much of what went before but post punk we got 2 Tone, more women in bands, people with humble means being creative such as Joy Division and the restriction from 'normality' that freed people up to put on make up and go to New Romantic clubs. Arguably the DIY ethic ( seen much more in the fringes than if you just look at The Clash or The Sex Pistols) became what started hip hop.
     
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    Good point regarding Ska, and to some degree Rock Steady and Reggae. Those Jamaican artists of the 60s and early 70s were expressing similar social critiques in new forms of popular music. And they heavily influenced UK punk...
     
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    I think The Clash moved onto something more inspiring than 1234 go... They reached a place where punk of that earlier scene had exploded. The Sex Pistols were gone, leaving The Clash to return to the roots of rock n roll, and what had really inspired them in the first place. They incorporated a lot of reggae, ska plus rock and instead of hammering out punk music again, took the punk ethos and turned it on it's head. Using those more acceptable forms of music, and incorporating their own political agenda. Clampdown to me is just a basic pop/punk/rock song, but the message is clear, don't work for the man and become a number, retain your individuality. The song in my view is very much in the vein of Bob Marley's Get up, Stand up.
     
  18. Manual Slim

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    Pssh. I’ll do the twist where I please, thank you very much.
     
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    I think part of punk was to be counterculture and not easily defined or understood by the norm.

    So this thread reflects that, and punk succeeded in its aim.
     
  20. Manual Slim

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    They certainly don’t have a monopoly on those.
     
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