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What was wrong with Punk?

Discussion in 'Bad Dog Cafe' started by offsideref, Apr 7, 2021.

  1. cyclopean

    cyclopean Poster Extraordinaire

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    Punk was absolutely alive in England in the 80s.

    What about Conflict, Discharge, Amebix, Disorder, Chaos UK, Extreme Noise Terror, Crass, Zounds, The Exploited, GBH, Blitz, Doom, Deviated Instinct, or any of the other bands I could keep rattling off for quite some time?

    The eighties was when punk politicized to take on Thatcher. You had punks involved in antifascist organizing, Poll Tax rioting, hunt sabotaging, and the Miner’s Strike. If anything punk was a bigger cultural force in England in the eighties than the seventies.
     
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    Seriously? Nothing “memorable, melodic, or life affirming”?
     
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    There are many, many, many punk styles that sound very little like each other.

    Pop punk doesn’t sound like power violence. Folk punk doesn’t sound like death rock. Crust doesn’t sound like Youth Crew. Riot Grrl doesn’t sound like grindcore.

    Fake “I can’t play” is more of a no wave thing.

    You get drugs in just about any subculture that isn’t the straightedge subculture.
     
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  5. Norris Vulcan

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    You know more about it than me, for sure, but I always liked Can, Einsturzende Neubaten (both West German) and Rammstein could carry a tune, too.
     
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    One of my last big nights out before the world closed down was going to a punk show that I booked. It is very much not over.
     
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    I didn’t much care for the Eagles back in the 70s/80s but I kind of like some of their stuff now. I think Hotel California is their Freebird, and the pinnacle of their songwriting was Take It Easy.

    This whole comment is just by the by, I might as well have said I used to not like tea and now I drink it all the time o_O
     
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    A band that doesn’t practice is never going to sound like this.
     
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    There are many styles/substyles, but very few that originated after the 80s, early 90s at most.
     
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    Sheeeeeit. I’m sniffing fifty and I’m more pissed off than I’ve ever been. My guitar is starting to hate me too.
     
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    I think they were booted out of A+M for being (deliberately) provocative. They might have been in and out of EMI in similarly quick time, I can’t remember. I do recall people who were lucky and bought the records on the original labels, some of them quickly sold them on for large sums of money: not a very punk thing to do!
     
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  12. cyclopean

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    Midwest emo, folk punk, and stadium crust are all newer than that, just off the top of my head.
     
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    A few of these is how King Buzzo and the Melvins paid for gas to get to the next show in 1986. Cobain was a Melvins hanger-outer but not on the first tour east. I wonder if that's someone's old home address? DIY!

    For me the "look" wasn't part of it. If you set aside a few actors (Pistols, Exploited...) most people I grew up with were just middle class kids and they looked the part. Maybe messy hair but I can count on 1 hand the number of mohawks I ever saw on a stage. It was just the fabric of my youth for music, culture, politics. Only time we ever had trouble at a show was when outsiders came to stir it up. Punk (or whatever) was just "our people".

    I still dig boots and cool jackets but now I just look like a dork. My very straight-laced daughter loved wearing my old T shirts. She even got sent home for wearing the Black Flag "Slip It In" shirt.

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    I wrote a long post explaining my thoughts, then broke it down to bullet points:
    1. If the Sex Pistols had never existed, the Ramones would have been bigger than the Beatles.
    2 .If you think "punk" is just "loud three-chord sweary music" you need to expand your listening horizons. Start with Television's "Marquee Moon."
    3. Johnny Cash, Little Richard, Joni Mitchell, and Tom Waits are all "punk" in their own way. And the only way to be "punk" is your own way.
    4. Blondie's "Heart of Glass" and "Rapture" - despite their commercial success and popularity - are as "punk" as it gets. Blondie was so "punk" that they even rebelled against the other "punks" - creating the "double punk paradox" that still confounds scientists today. P.S.Debbie Harry is a goddess.
     
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    That's a nice Jackson Browne tune, I agree
     
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    Whaddya mean "would have been"? o_O
     
  17. cyclopean

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    I’ll give you 1, 2, and 3. I’m dubious about 4. I really like Blondie, but Rapture sounds better with KRS-One rapping over it.
     
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    Punk was a self-fulfilling prophecy.
    Its self-destructive nature was its own undoing.

    Even the kings of the early "punk" scene ( The Who ) had to grow up eventually or they would have faded away.
    The band of the My Generation era would never have been taken seriously doing a rock opera. ;)
     
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    Their demo is a rager.
     
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  20. Norris Vulcan

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    At last, someone posts SLF. This song has been on my mind all through this thread :D Nice work @cyclopean

    (And just FYI) Anti-N**i League and anti National Front (fascist party) demonstrations were in the late 70's. Definitely a catalyst for social comment lyrics, and Don Letts DJing reggae and dub at punk gigs.
    Poll Tax 1990.
     
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