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What version of Tele wiring is this?

Discussion in 'Tele-Technical' started by Grendel2000, Oct 30, 2020.

  1. Grendel2000

    Grendel2000 TDPRI Member

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    A friends tele is having issues and I told him I'd take a look at it. I have a old Tele wiring harness and plate that I took out of one of my Tele's and replaced with a pre-wired harness, but I don't know for sure which "version" of Tele wiring it is so I can download a wiring schematic for it to ensure I don't screw things up.

    I can solder but I'm not "electrically smart" so I need a good picture to just follow directions...

    Can anyone identify which "version" this is and maybe point me to a good diagram for it please?

    Thanks!

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    Nuttin'?
     
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    Volume and tone pot locations are swapped. Some players do this to get "pinkie volume swell" using your little finger to control the volume. The wiring looks to be standard 3 way otherwise.

    What are the issues?
     
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    Yeah, looks like just a flipped control plate to put the switch on the far end of the guitar. Look:

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    Here's the diagram with some alterations to better match your wiring.

    tele_rev_mod.jpg
     
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    So, assuming the wire from the outside lug of the tone pot will still reach the 3 way switch, can I just swap the tone and volume post positions in the control plate and get on with my life?
     
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    Yes, that is the basic idea... however, you'll be lucky if the wire is long enough.

    They are easy enough to replace with longer wires though.
     
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    Ok, last question (I hope) - what's the secret to getting the solder pile on the pot to melt so I can get the ground wires attached???!!! Mine doesn't seem to want to budge/melt!
     
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  9. Kevin Wolfe

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    A bigger(hotter) iron. Most of us who work inside of amp and guitars use soldering stations. Gotta have enough heat to get the solder melted quickly to prevent overheating the component.
     
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    No, not a hotter iron, a technique/trick:

    -put the iron you have on the solder blob, feed a little new solder at the juncture between the solder tip and the blob you are heating. The new solder will melt and then conduct heat into the part.

    I'd keep the reverse V-T-Switch arrangement though, look up Bill Kirchen, it's a good mod.


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    Yep, but that ain’t gonna happen with a “too cold” iron.
     
  12. Grendel2000

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    Would a larger soldering tip help?
     
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    You need to heat up your pot with your iron first before adding any solder. Hot solder will never stick to a cold surface. Be careful not to burn up your pot. If you iron is hot enough, it won't take a long time. And use the side of the tip not the point for this. The pot will get hotter faster. A good thing for your pot.
     
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    What iron do you have? Do you keep the tip cleaned and tinned? An iron can have a hot tip that will not conduct that heat properly if it has not been kept in proper condition.
     
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    And....the circuit you show us on that plate has the ‘50s Gibson type of connection for the tone cap from the tone pot to the ‘out’ middle lug of the volume pot. That changes the taper of that volume pot to maintain some high end when decreasing the volume on an audio taper pot. This arrangement is not preferred by folks who want to do volume swells but is preferred by those of us who prefer to set and amp up hot and then have use of almost the full sweep of the pot while maintain full frequency response. This tone cap arrangement is one way to accomplish what a treble bypass circuit on an audio achieves or what a linear taper volume pot achieves.
     
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    I'm using this:
    https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01712N5C4/?tag=tdpri-20

    I do use tip tinner and I do keep it clean.

    Thanks!
     
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    That set offers a lot for the money. I knew noth8ng about it. I did a search for ‘best hobby soldering irons’ and got to this...
    https://www.nytimes.com/wirecutter/reviews/best-soldering-irons/
    The Vastar is one of those tested and was rated the best ‘economy’ model...with the highest temperature on the tip. You might consider getting the soldering station that follows that Vastar in the review.
    For work on that guitar electronics project, I would suggest using that medium chisel point tip in the middle of the five standing tips in that ad.
     
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    I'll give that a shot - thanks!
     
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    Do you happen to know of a diagram that show's the full layout of "Gibson type" wiring on a Tele?
     
  20. Wally

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    Well, I spoke too soon. This circuit has one too many tone caps. The bright Orange cap needs to be removed to achieve the 50s wiring. And...I am not sure the switch is wired properly. Take a look below at what Tuxedo Poly shows us. If you take that tone cap lead to the middle lug of the volume pot instead of ground, you will have wired it in the Gibson 50s manner.

     
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