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Discussion in 'Amp Central Station' started by scout2112, Feb 13, 2020.
Looking for that early-breakup SR goodness.
Probably Jensen C10R's
This may be too ' late' a model, but my buddy just got a '68 Super Reverb ( so SF) with original CTS speakers in it.
I play his '61 SG reissue thru it, no pedals, amp volume on 4'-5 (so loud!) and that edge of breakup ( Dickie Betts sweetness/ with drive) is there!
So maybe CTS, or Jensen?
My silver era are CTS Alnicos...sound great
I thought some of the BF were Oxfords and Jensens c10n
not sure if all alnico or cerams
Mostly CTS alnicos.
Very highly regarded speakers, but I had a drip edge SR with ceramics (maybe Jensen?) that was the best one I ever heard.
Fender Amp Field guide is ' wide open' here ( just checked)
Says: CTS. OXFORD, JENSEN ceramic or alnico- HA!
** our amp tech guy ( who serviced above '68 SR I referenced) loves CTS in a Super
The one I had, and the best I heard, all had original CTS alnicos.
I have no need or $$ for one,
but a Super Reverb is just the.coolest ever big boy Fender to me.
Something about its height and look/wheels, BF or SF cosmetics....then there's the SOUND!
They're rare as hen's teeth, but a SR with JBL D110Fs was an option in the day. I picked up four of them about 25 years ago (I surely could NOT have picked up the amp!). Three of the four now reside in two of my amps. I can only imagine the weight of all four of them together, but gawd, what a sound!
I am afraid you are looking at the wrong place.SRV tone was anything BUT early speaker breakup. He used massive EVM10L speakers. These monsters never ever break up.
I was referring to "SR" as in Super Reverb, not SRV
Are there any modern equivalents to the CTS alnicos? The price on the vintage ones are off the charts.
You may wanna check Eminence to see if they make a similar spec ' alnico CTS' type? ( I just always dug the quality/value of Eminence)
or maybe inquire at MojoTone?
Just remember, Alnico is "warmer" and more "musical".
'64 Super Reverbs came with slug magnet Jensen alnicos.
'65 into SF era got horseshoe magnet CTS alnicos.
CTS alnicos aren't necessarily fantastic speakers. It's pure serendipity that they're exactly -it- in old Super Reverbs.
Alternatives: Purists would say I ruined the value of my Super Reverb by using old blue frame paper voice coil former Eminence alnicos. I figure newer more reliable speakers are more gig worthy compared to old speakers that have been around the block a few times.
Changing speakers is an expensive way to chase "early break up", and besides, I'm not a big fan of speaker breakup. You might assume that great overdrive tone is the speakers begging for mercy. Dumbles and Boogies get great overtones using EVM12L speakers. I guarantee you're not hearing speaker breakup as part of that overdrive tone.
There are fittingly enough dirt cheap ways to get dirt from a Super Reverb without tossing wads of cash at it.
Good points... I'm not necessarily looking to have speaker breakup add additional distortion or overdrive... on the contrary I think that isn't a good thing... but it adds a natural compression that is very warm and sweet to my ears.
I like both the CTS Alnico and ceramics. However, the best sounding BFSR I have been around was an early AB763 with OEM Jensen C10R’s....for my Re are people who build to emulate the CTS Alnico 10”. For my money the .eminence ALK1028 is a great speaker for that application.
CTS Alnico, CTS Ceramic, Oxford Ceramic came stock.
JBL D110's were custom order. Loud and spiky as hell. There was a guy back in the late 60's who had one. Played a Strat with no pedals. Gawd it made your ears hurt but it was tone bliss.
I've seen/played one with Jensen C10Q's that were apparently original.
My favorites were probably the Oxford Ceramics, or the CTS ceramics. But many people like the CTS Alnicos.
I see more with ceramics than alnicos, but not by a huge margin.
OP: BUT, speaker breakup is not much of a thing regardless of which you choose. 4 x 10, even with those cheap light speakers, dont break up much.
The finest replacements I've tried are the Weber CVC or CTC 10's. Designed to replace those originals. (Paper voice coil formers) I rue the day I sold mine..
Today I would probably try the Emi GA SC 10 (paper formers too! I think)
This, a 1967 BF that inhabits my basement because spouse doesn't care for it in the living room...
...a better look...easier to see this way.
I've never experienced "speaker breakup" with any of my stuff. I find the tube growl sufficient for my tastes. Easier on the speakers too.
Sometimes they had two alnico and two ceramic.
The alnico would always be the top pair.
On brown Concerts sometimes you see four alnico speakers, with magnet cover cups only on the bottom pair.
I tried that with the SR I posted above...putting two Weber C10Q's (the current equivalent is the 10F125) in it for a time 25 years ago. I didn't much care for it.
Or the added weight.