What matters MOST with Guitar Tone?

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  1. GreatDaneRock

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    I'll just leave this little "nugget" here, and although the channel is a metal channel, as a sound engineer myself I can't disagree with Glenn.

    Caution, Glenn being a metal head likes to swear a bit.

     
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    What matters most? That you like it.
     
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    I only watched the first 6 minutes or so. “Sound is in the hands,” really does apply to music genres without so much distortion. I like that guy though. Will watch the rest later. Cheers.
     
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    The guy playing it. Give a dumble, klon, and 59 strat to a guy playing for a week and tell me you'd want to listen to that.
     
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    What matters most with guitar tone is the number, and quality, of your pedals.
     
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    "Start with your speakers and save yourself a small fortune". This is really good advice, actually. Lots of folks around here agonize over speaker selection for good reason! I put a Red Fang into my MusicMasterBass amp and it totally changed its tone and character for the better. I love the clarity and power I get from my Rivera SuperChamp with the OEM EV speaker in it, but the EV is definitely a bit on the bright side for my taste. I'm scared to switch it out, though. In my Fender Super Reverb I think it's the original CTS alnicos in it that really make it sing.

    Single coil vs. humbucker is a pretty powerful "filter", too. Amp overall type- blackface vs. tweed vs. Vox vs. Marshall-- I'd say that's a pretty audible tone filter as well.
     
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    Pedals, guitars, and amps will help you copy a recording you want to cover. Finding your personal tone is more challenging. It’s an iterative process. You ask yourself what you like and don’t like about what you’re doing at the time and make incremental changes to get closer to what you’re seeking. And then when the planets align, something unexpected happens that brings you a leap closer. It takes time. It doesn’t come from a video.
     
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    I guess I didn't know I'm a metal-head:oops:.
     
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    'Vacuum Tubes are Not Equalizers'. Perfect.
     
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    Clarity.
    Really.
    My favorite term to describe the tone I want, seek, chase, desire.
    Clear, full, undistorted, but not sterile.
    Luckily, I believe I have attained/achieved it.
    My stuff sounds great, IMO.
     
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    Good video. Speakers - ugh. There is a rabbit hole I just don't want to go down. Good think I like the sound of my amp.
     
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    The pedalboard.
     
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    The graphics on your pedals.

    Apparently.
     
  14. GreatDaneRock

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    I agree with everything you said, in the end is looking for all the filter stages in your signal chain. Tone wood, hands, player, tubes, even string gauge aren't audio filters. They may affect attach, sustain, and dynamics, but not frequency range to a degree that it makes a big impact. And of course the more gain you add, the less all of this plays a factor. Only strong filters start to really make a difference with high gain tones. A guitar cable is a stronger filter than some pedals.

    And because the speaker and cab are one of the most determining factors of tone, I believe it's the reason why speaker and cab IR files are such the thing right now, never before had a player the ability to quickly and relatively inexpensively tap into speaker and cab selection/options as we have today.

    With IRs we get the ability to appreciate speakers better than ever, visually and audibly, hence why there's such a boom (and rabbit hole!) For IRs if you've ever dabbled with IRS you'll know the tremendous tonal impact it has on your signal, much more than probably any other aspect in it, except for pickups maybe.

    And again Glenn's video is from the perspective of a metal producer, please keep that in mind folks.

    GDR
     
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    and you're happy, then slowly it creeps up on you and you think that's not exactly what I want. You start over, it's a vicious circle.
     
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    My ears.
     
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    Everything matters.
     
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    Stickers. It's all about the stickers. And not just the ones on your guitar... the ones on the guitar case count too. But don't put any on the amp - won't change the tone.
     
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    The obvious answer: rosewood fretboards and no clownbursts.

    EDIT: His assertion that the speaker and the cabinet have the most impact on tone makes complete sense to me.

    I know he's a metal guy. But I find all that distortion to be distracting.

    Adding all that distortion in a tone comparison is like making two steak sandwiches--one with cheap steak and the other with premium steak--and then dousing them with a crazy amount of ketchup and raw onions and asking, "Can you taste the difference?" But of course, I may be way off.
     
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  20. magicfingers99

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    its the number on your tone knob.

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    when you turn it up you get more tone, 10 is like the most tone ever. don't use 10 except for lead guitar solos. Eight is enough for most tight situations. if you are just beginning stay around 3 or lower or you could break something.
     
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