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Discussion in 'Tab, Tips, Theory and Technique' started by ASATKat, Apr 4, 2019.
An interviewer once asked David Gilmour: "Nick Mason - talent or luck?"
Same applies here, I guess.
I like Nick's drumming, beside he's the only one who has seen every Pink Floyd show ever done..
its quite interesting to follow Pink Floyd's progression from the days when Gilmour wouldn't even face the audience because he was ashamed of how they sounded to filling stadiums.
if you continue to try, and you learn as you go, the world is your oyster...
Should you read up on Pete Best, it seems the Beatles got rid of him not because he wasn't good, but because he was too good and it was dangerously close to becoming the Pete Best band.. which lennon& mcartney weren't too keen on ...
in Germany, they used to do a set where they moved the drum kit up to the front of the stage and Pete would do his thing to much fanfare.
so probably why they liked Ringo so much and why they were worried when they broke up that he couldn't make it alone (which he did have a nice solo career)
Rory Storm was likely a bigger star than Ringo at the time, every time I've seen ringo mention the Hurricanes in front of the beatles, john changes the subject...
Who's Jimmy Nicol?
He filled in when Ringo had a tonsillectomy and the Beatles toured, I believe, Scandinavia. Supposedly he inspired the song Getting Better by repeating the phrase "it's getting better all the time" when asked how things were going.
Anyone who thinks Ringo can't play needs to watch this entire concert. Mindblowing. Even if he couldn't quite cut it under the microscope of studio recording, even if he's playing parts he didn't write, he's CRUSHING it. Every bit as good as John Bonham or Mitch Mitchell.
The real question is how different our mental pictures of Mitch and Ringo would be if Jimmy Page produced them.
Regarding the OP ..... Kismet, right place - right time.
As for his drumming ... His finest moment was, for me, Tomorrow never knows.
But, regardless of the naysayers here ... He did a great job for that band.
As an example, I would take Ringo in my band any day over Moon or Peart. Does that mean I think the latter two aren't amazing talents? No.
But he knew what not to play. And maybe he did have limitations because he was left handed or whatever. I don't know. But I loved that video in the OP and it really opened my eyes to what I've always liked about Ringo. Spare, swing, unique. But still drove the song along.
To many "musicians" overplay IMO. One of the things I love about the Beatles (even though I'm not a breathless apologist, I do love their music) is the economy and space, without feeling spare.
Everyone works with what they've got. And Ringo did pretty well. No different than driving a truck, selling real estate, or being a doctor etc. Some are just better than others and others are just there. Also being in the right place at the right time doesn't hurt either.
Charlie watts could've snuck in too.
On the Love Me Do recordings, George Martin didn't think Pete was the best timekeeper in the world, so he told Brian Epstein he was going to hire a studio drummer for that session. George Martin said they could do anything they liked, regarding Pete on stage, but not the studio. Somewhere in the anthology series, I think it was Paul, said they had been pondering sacking Pete anyway, but were reluctant because Pete WAS the looker of the band and the girls all loved him. (he was a pretty good draw based on his looks) and had in fact, already hired Ringo to be their drummer, (before telling Pete he was history). They relegated the firing of Best to Brian Epstein. Life in the early '60s was a real soap opera!! LOL
I believe, like all great musicians, Ringo's parts served the songs - timbrally, orchestrally, energy-wise, often minimally, often uniquely. It's about executing what is best, compositionally, to make the song and the whole as good as it can be, and more than the sum of its parts.
Who cares about 'chops', or individual performances... not me, that attitude fails to get the important of collaboration, ensemble playing, chemistry.
[as for the Yoko hate: very offensive and unnecessary - you don't have to like what she does, but please...].
FWIW Mr. Starkey is my favorite drummer.
This is a bit off topic re: the OP, but: When folks on TDPRI go after the Beatles, I've just given up. Have they no sense of how that band changed not just Rock, but film, fashion, politics, and on and on? It's like someone who hates baseball, or Louis Armstrong, or FDR...They just don't get it and no amount of explaining will help.....
ringo was perfect for the beatles. very inventive.
And consider they were playing with no monitors, and archaic sound reinforcement.
They could hear nothing on stage, yet they played in time and in tune.
That is a band!
At most of the concerts that were at sports venues like Shea Stadium, the vocals were run through a small P.A. system which was connected to a bunch of horns mounted on poles or towers. Anyone who's been to a baseball game knows what I'm talking about. They sound tinny and terrible. And the echo was ridiculous. That, and the sound of the amps coming from the stage were most of what the screaming audience heard.
Don't leave out the screaming audience, That was louder than all of it! LOL
What made Ringo a great drummer is the myth that he is a great drummer
some of the fills on certain tracks are memorable Day in a life ,Strawberry fields
but lets have it right 98% of their catalog is just a back beat even i could play it and i don't own a drum kit
nice chap though peace and love
Completely agree. RS was just in the right place at the right time when Stu got sick. He is, at best, a solid drummer, but his ego is ginormous.
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