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What is wrong with being a money grabbing enterprise?

Discussion in 'Bad Dog Cafe' started by Toto'sDad, Jan 19, 2021.

  1. radiocaster

    radiocaster Poster Extraordinaire

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    Huge festivals really tire me. Too many bands I don't want to see, too few bands I want to see. But I have no problem if they clean the site after.
     
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    I'm incapable of a lot of things. Apparently you do not understand what quote means, because I did not quote you, I was merely being somewhat, snide, but not very much so.:D
     
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  4. scottser

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    There nothing wrong at all with making money. Its when certain types borrow others money, invest it, lose it and leave the taxpayer to pick up the bill that I have a problem. I believe the phrase is 'socialism for the rich, capitalism for the poor'.
     
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    Regarding Fyre Festival... that's a *bit* of an outlier, and I wouldn't use it as any example to make other points with, especially not festivals broadly. If you don't like them, that's okay, but that doesn't make them wastes of money headed up by grifters.

    They put on Tomorrowland every year, 200k+ people show up from literally all over the world and it's been a (fantastically well-run) hoot both times I've been. Hulaween is also great and I intend to return, ditto Electric Forest.
     
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    With all due respect.....your "sarcasm alert" meter needs calibrating. They often get out of whack around here. If yours is in your head, like mine is, I recommend hitting it briskly with a baseball bat once or twice....that'll usually set it right. ;);););)
     
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    Yeah, I get it. I truly have no problem with people who make money, even people who make lots of it. And there will never be a short supply of other folks who want to tell you which is the right way and which isn't.

    Movie business? You pay to watch, or not. For every guy like this, there are thousands of regular folks just trying to make a living or hoping for lightning to strike.
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    things used to be a little different for kids, even here in the states:
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    ...maybe not so different elsewhere:

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    yeah, ok, here's a story: friend of mine, due to family circumstance (father died young) found himself dragging a cotton sack in the fields around Idalou, Texas, ten years old. I seem to recollect you might have had some similar experiences TD.

    One of the fields he worked was next door to field that eventually sported a Texas Instruments plant. The idea that he could make a living some way beside chopping cotton was so attractive, he became an electrical engineer.

    So a little work never hurt nobody - got my first job at eight, with a paper route - but the means of payment, the opportunities to do something better, and so forth, and so forth.

    The idea of greed being wrong doesn't seem to be a preventative.
     
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    I did have some experience at picking cotton, quite a bit of it actually. I picked cotton clear up into my early teens. Rather than thinking I should be given a break of some kind though, I was spurred on by the reward aspect of working harder, and sometimes even smarter while working my way up through life. I can honestly say I've tried to live by the credence that you should admire, and perhaps emulate how a man got to where he's at rather than demanding he share his wealth with me. I know there are the dastardly among rich folks, but I think you can find even more of them among the working class, simply because there are more of them.
     
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    Can't answer the question without getting political.
     
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    That’s not stopping everyone!
     
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    When i did the set up for KISS , I was working with the lighting crew , and in particular the right hand guy for the lighting director . As we were running the electrical from the mains to the stage, it dawned on me " every one paid 100.00 a ticket to see a 60 year old man in platform boots wearing a leather cod piece covered in studs spitting blood" I relayed this insight to the lighting guy who immediately slipped and fell down laughing , he saw it too
     
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    Show biz, baby!
     
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    It really cracks me up to hear people complain about how bad new movies are yet they continue to go to the theater. I've stopped going to Hollywood movies because they've gotten so unwatchable now you'd have to pay me to sit through it, not the other way around. The only way commercial art improves is if you cut off the $$$ supply and force them to make a better product. If they can make half a billion dollars making crap they'll keep doing it all day long, it's the path of least resistance.
     
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    For me, the problem isn’t inextricably linked with movies in general, but movies lately.

    But let’s not oil the boots of blame solely on the executive producer’s feet just yet, although following the money is an intellectual conscience’s requirement in a transactional world.

    How can we even reconcile dinner for two at 5 Guys, let alone guffaw along the food court of streaming unremarkability and assembly-line CGI? What really are we paying for?

    Could it have something to do with how different consumers have become?

    How do you whet the appetite of an all-you-can culture without inspiration from Caligula?

    Hollywood has always put out garbage, a diamond in the rough poking out occasionally, however a certain level of depth was agreed upon. At least cover the toenails.

    It’s more than pitting Blade Runner against Blade Runner, it’s what Hondo might say if he had to spur down the aisles of Target.

    How many bartenders still know how to make an Old-Fashioned? I wouldn’t, and couldn't know.

    The audience of old wouldn’t argue that Mr. Potter was the antithesis of all that was good in the world, yet they still might have a little room left for Ringo Star and dinosaur poop.

    Nobody, certainly not the audience, was really getting hurt, just bandaid-ing little cuts.

    Now, more than ever, the most popular movies are aggressive value-shaping tools with a very particular agenda trickling down into behavioral appropriation and cultural acceptance on a scale not possible before the internet, shining Maglites on the abhorrent and squeezing the wrong kneecap late in the evening.

    The screenplays read like they were written in a dorm room, the plots a tour of lost-soul delusion, the climaxes blood-foodie GIFs that never Met Sally. Don’t even get me started on the comedies.

    How many assassins does it take to screw in Uncle Fester’s lightbulb, and how many product placements can the bass-mouthed public stomach, until it vomits the silver chain rodent back onto the toga tablecloth?

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    has become product, and it smells a wee past it’s expiration date.

    It was rare (when I was a child) for the protagonist (and even the entire cast of characters) to be devoid of any redeeming qualities, even scarcer to then be lauded and glorified for reprehensible behavior.

    Night Of The Hunter was not Natural Born Killers, where I believe the Bobcat tracks started to wander off too far onto the rocks, and now being gelded by lassos and revisionist tongue-lashings is entertainment? No thanks, I did my time in University.

    Of course there was a niche market for films like Clockwork Orange, swaths of B movies, noir, anything BTK might’ve just loved, but the pedigree and credentials were somewhat regionalized and curtailed by the fact that even many of the seediest seat-warmers could pretend to be polite, because after all, they had to get up and go somewhere in the morning.

    Long ago, subversive only had so many catalogs to order from, now, it is the menu, and therefore normalized.

    The thought that a fledgling wearer of blue jeans would even be exposed to the shameless work of entities whose very premise is staked upon lies should give caution enough to absentee parents, but the fact that it is merely laughed off is frightening.

    Paying to watch the puppets of the program get more brazenly editorial in the seamless platform of razzle-dazzle is not a passive exercise in escapism for me, but a tour through the hologramed fall of Rome, where they will try to find me and they will try to kill me, or at least help me to not care.

    Just buy the ticket already, nothing to see here.
     
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    Well said! I think the 90's was the last great decade for movies. They actually tried back then.
     
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    but...just to play devil's advocate...

    i would argue DEMF/movement has been one of the most solid ones, especially the peripheral events. and back in the golden era of techno the festival was free. personally i have gone a few years only to private parties and not the festival itself and been no worse off. it's a whole city-wide bacchanalian celebration. even the middle aged/parent-of-three-kids cab drivers talk to you about what electro or gospel house parties they're going to later when they get off their shift. hard to reproduce that kind of collective release with a strictly corporate event. and though wilder than most, it hasn't really been the same since the movement changeover.
     
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    One of those "the emperor has no clothes" moments.
     
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    Remember when George Carlin said that anyone driving slower than you is an idiot and anyone driving faster than you is a maniac?

    I think the majority of people assume those with less money than you are lazy and those with more money than you are crooks. I guess it makes it easier to accept one's own position to look through that lens.
     
  19. String Tree

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    My problem is this: It ain't ME that's grabbing the Cash.
    NOPE!!!
     
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    and top it off with the way gene simmons moves like the robots at chuck e cheese’s...maybe the most horrifying thing about the whole deal.
     
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