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What is wrong with being a money grabbing enterprise?

Discussion in 'Bad Dog Cafe' started by Toto'sDad, Jan 19, 2021.

  1. Cyberi4n

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    "mom and pop" store is such an overrated concept in my opinion. I get that they’re trying their hardest to make ends meet, living their dream etc. But, you know we all are! There seems to be a certain expectation that we should shop there whenever possible because if we don’t they’ll go out of business. But if they don’t sell what I want at a price I think is acceptable, then I’m not going to give them my money. They’re not entitled to it just because they exist.

    There’s a small music shop in the local town next to mine. Tries its hardest to be everything to everyone and ends up being nothing to nobody. Staff are pretty miserable every-time I’ve been in there.

    quirky shops I like, the ones that sell curios and nickknacks. And I’d rather a mom and pop coffee shop/deli over a chain.
     
  2. regularslinky

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    Nothing wrong with being a money-grabbing enterprise. The problem starts when we forget that money-grabbing enterprises are accountable only to their owners/shareholders, and that they will not, sometimes legally cannot, act in the public interest unless our laws force them to do so.
     
  3. Toto'sDad

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    You do know those nasty mom and pop stores put the street venders, and burglars out of the business of selling their wares on street corners, doncha?
     
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  4. Mr. Lumbergh

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    Nothing as long as you're a also good corporate citizen and don't let it compromise you in other ways such as layoffs whose only goal is a temporary bump in stock price.
     
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    Yup, this.
     
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    If you wrestle, you don't tie one arm behind your back to make it fair.
     
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  7. Jeremy_Green

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    The answer is nothing.

    Events are a big part of the lifeblood of the industry. This is the Music Business. People need money to survive and musicians are not beyond that. There is absolutely nothing wrong or gross about an artist, or anybody else, making money. This is a myth perpetuated by those who want to steal music, or are less able. It's such a silly discussion really (no offence as we are in agreement). If someone doesn't think musicians deserve to get paid, then they truly have no respect for the profession. That is not an opinion I am interested in.
     
  8. koen

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    There is a big difference between making money and money grabbing.
     
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    The people who generate 'the constant theme' are not those who attend. So, if YOU pay the price, usually you are happy and enjoy the event. So, Question 1 = answered. The people who pay the price for the concert or movie are generally happy with the event and have a great time. People who go to these events tend to go to lots of them, so, mostly they are happy.

    Again, when you go to a movie and you enjoy it (many people go many times now or with current sitch, rewatch them or buy them) they also tend to be happy with the product and no real complaints. People who TEND to enjoy these events also tend to be repeat customers.

    Question 2 Answered.

    For the people who do not or cannot pay the price for events, concerts, ball games event the ferris wheel there is a two headed struggle: A They struggle to see the value of the event being equal to the price of it, so that mismatch of value and price is a 'cognitive dissonance' creator and when folks have that kind of confusion, they ask for relief, usually through protest OR by trying to convince the folks WHO DO see the value that they have miscalculated and the market needs a correction. Or, B They are fans and deeply interested in the content, but cannot afford the price of the event. That is a hard one, because in the west, we often have a desire that everyone 'get a chance' at something, but the finite event gets priced based on an economic model versus some egalitarian formula. The exception to this is the 'radio giveaway' where a certain set of tickets are set aside for Group B and through a contest, a 'true' fan gets to see the show.

    Folks, for the most part, don't like to be left out of the group. Few people enjoy 'Other' when it describes you as less. So, folks construct a value matrix that because they are A or B, they are actually superior to the 'happy' group and the mostly believe it.

    I had two tickets for a fancy mandolin player one time. I asked a relative about the show and he went on and on at how ridiculous the show was, the artist overrated, the sound at the venue was marginal, what a ripoff it was....

    After 10 minutes, I said, 'oh man, I'm glad you shared all of that, I had an extra ticket and was seeing if you wanted to go, but dang, I can see it is kind of dumb, maybe I'll sell both tix on craiglist.' 'Oh no, shoot, I'll go for free, hell, I'll pay for parking, lets go'

    So, we went, when he saw parking was 40.00 he flipped out and I said 'oh it is comped, it wasn't, I paid when I went through'

    I bought us a couple of drinks and between acts he offered to get us a drink, when he returned he complained about how much the drinks were and said, 'you were lucky you got free drinks the first time!' (I didn't)

    After the show, he was amazed at the whole spectacle, the venue, the music, all of it. I dropped him off and thought, 'what an interesting world he lives in.'

    He is in group A. He can afford events, but cannot see the value proposition until he is present. I saw him about 2 weeks after the show and he said, 'did you pay for parking and the first drink?' I laughed and said, 'yeah, why?' 'Oh, I feel bad, you spent so much money on that show!'

    I just said, 'hey, you are my wife's cousin, we love you guys and I thought you'd dig the show, all good.' He looked at me in a way that I think he thinks I'm crazy.

    My sin used to be that I thought people should be cool and kind and let people in and behave nicely toward each other.... all that stuff... I'm curing myself to just do what I think I should and not be too interested in what other people choose to do or not do.

    Value Propositions are the deepest kinds of sales. If you can create a value proposition that invites enough people to sell out at a premium price, there is nothing wrong with that (provided it is legal) inherently, but, if that niche, by its creation, also creates a huge group of A or B, there will be backlash.
     
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    Nothing wrong with it in theory but it is the reason we have so many crappy sequel movies, and when taken to the extreme, it allows people to take advantage of others and lie in order to make a sale or scam someone because hey buyer beware and "what is wrong with it" or "everybody else is doing it". Its kind of like toilet paper- do you take all you can get or do you share when the supply is low?
     
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    I’m not wealthy, but I don’t fault someone who is.

    Many people are very altruistic and concerned about avarice...in regards to other people’s money.

    Those type of people are “above” money and wealth until they get the opportunity to get some, and then they get obsessed about keeping “theirs,” and no one else climbing up the hill.

    A great man once said, “Maybe it’s time we got back to the basics of love...

    I’m not wealthy, but my life is rich...if I don’t get any “higher” on the ladder but I get to keep true riches—my family, faith, friends, health, occasional peace of mind—I’ll have lived a good life.
     
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    I subscribe to a corollary of this proverb...

    "A fool and his money are soon partying"... :D
     
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    I think so.

    I do have a soft spot for apparent "money grabbers" who buy a huge hunk of animal habitat, or bird habitat or fish habitat and make sure there's good stewardship. Free from the insatiable needs of these varmints we call "homo sapiens".

    Because in the long haul, there are simply not enough resources on this planet, for every child that's being born. Sometimes I think the meanest, wickedest thing two "biological parents" can do is bring another human being onto this orb, with no plan whatsoever how to educate and properly care for the little bugger. You don't have to be a big corporate thief or job destroyer to be hurting the planet. There's other ways, as well, and it all adds up.
     
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    Living for money, or money for Living. Your choice.
     
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    As an LA studio cat I once worked with said, “You’re not selling out, you’re buying in. Take the meal ticket or someone else will.”
     
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    That's why there needs to be standards and regulations, to make sure it doesn't run so amok that it starts to cannibalize the society that made the corporation possible in the first place. There is no guarantee that there will be an equality of outcomes, but equality of opportunity should definitely be codified.
     
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    I’m only here to observe, so I don’t actually participate in the world beyond what I feel like doing.

    But I’m surrounded by people who do participate, so if I need or want something it will eventually show up.

    Beyond that, as long as they send my retirement pay and leave me out of the madness, I have very little interest.
     
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    Okay. Everyone judges value differently. I have to repair my roof (True). The options are A) fix the leak, B) fix all areas that have potential to start leaking, C) replace the roof and get everything on a level playing field for quite a while.

    Each has value. Then add complexity. A) requires a specialist for a short period to assess and fix the problem so the price is higher, B) uses a team but it is spotty and needs some expertise so the price is higher, and finally C) is the most cost effective but because it is such a larger job the overall cost is even higher.

    I'm in my 70's. Do I worry about A) solving the immediate problem?, B) do a little more and kick the real issue down the time road? or, C) fix the whole roof that will outlast me and my kid won't get stuck having to fix the roof to sell the house he doesn't want when I die?

    Really boils down to how much I care about my kid and little to do with a leaking roof.

    Stuff is complicated and never truly this or that.
     
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    didn’t say they were nasty at any point in my post. Go back and read it properly this time. And if you’re incapable of doing that, don’t misquote me!
     
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    This is said as gently as I can say it. You don't have children so you actually don't know what you are talking about, you are doing a summation before the jury, and that's okay. My wife is from a family of nine. ALL of the children from that original family of very modest means, prospered in life, and were contributors to not only the economy, but the overall life experience of many. Their offspring perhaps even more! My young son is a gifted, talented, generous, successful and kind man who exceeds all expectations of what a man should be. Following your concept of only have the children you can afford, his mother would not have been born, and neither would he.
     
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