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Discussion in 'Band Wagon' started by Rockerfeller, Oct 18, 2019.
I already want to see this band!! Sounds right up my ally.
The best success we ever had was when we had an agent. We did large auto dealership Christmas parties, Erickson cell phone international meeting in Park City, etc. all easy gigs, with great provided meals. Was fun while it lasted, and increased fee more than made up the agent’s fee. Then, one of the company’s demands was only the band show up, no guests, no one else. And...our lead guitar player showed up with his wife and the company pitched a fit, agent then pitched a fit and the bad disintegrated.
One of the “hot new things” around here is getting a “sponsor”. This started w/ various festivals hosted by NFP’s , but they usually did the leg work and you played in the slot sponsored by Slate Quarry, Spacely Sprockets what have you..
This of course caused some problems when there were
“cultural “ differences, so then it became get your own sponsor, which was the same problem from a different angle, but either way frees up time and money for the organizers.
So now more traditional organizations are requiring it, VFD, fraternal/ veterans groups are going w/ “ we will put up a sign and give some shout outs at the Sat. dance for whom ever you get to pay the freight” . They obvious get to keep the door, it can work to everyone’s advantage but it adds another layer of complexity to a already complex situation.
Getting good deps
We are all retired, love practice nights, love gigging, I’m the oldest, 75 in three weeks, the youngest is our singer who is in his 50’s and battling cancer, we are “The Survivors” due to the various health issues we all have had, gigs are not a lot but we get booked from people who hear us at our monthly pub gig.
I find the biggest obstacle is time. Bar owners never get back to you. My experience is that you have to go there in person, when the right person is there, talk to them directly, and book the gig on the spot. But it takes a lot of time and legwork to do that. I suppose when you have a well-known and established band it’s easier.
This has been a great thread. I appreciate all you guys sharing your stories. I think it helps all of who are gigging!
It seems like a lot of you guys are playing clubs and wanting to get into the corporate /private party scene. If that's the case, what's holding you back from doing that, if anything? Is it you don't have the time, you don't know how to do it, or you're not sure your music is the right kind of music?
Mo, are you guys a start up band? I think that happens a lot when you're first starting. My advice: Book the gig and if the drummer can't do it, get a sub. Do that for every gig you can get until you have enough to keep a good drummer. If you're doing well known covers a fill in drummer is the easiest position to fill. Record your rehearsals so you can give him/her a recording so they know how you do the starts and stops.
I've seen this happen with a lot of the bands I have booked over the years. A working band needs gigs. People join those kind of bands because they want to get paid to gig. If you can't book gigs, they'll find sub work somewhere else. Worse, the band breaks up because there are too few gigs. SO, if you want the start up band to succeed, you have to book a gig. If you guys are all good at your craft you should book the gig before you're ready! There's something about a gig on the books that helps you get ready quicker!
just need wife's health back...but with a serious brain injury...things may never be the same
now that music stands are officially on the grumpy old man no no list..
we will def get to do some work in the brain injury non profit sector..but will most likely need some type of help with words available.
No, opposite actually. 'My' band is from the 80s & reformed 6 years ago. I left as 3 of the band (drummer, guitarist & bassist, as a singer) were in another covers band (that is still going, on & off). Long story.
Our drummer & lead guitarist are both in covers bands (RHCP & SLF). Bassist, guitarist & drummer are in 70's covers band (are you taking notes...there'll be a test at the end) & finally our drummer is in an original metal band with his girlfriend. And very good they are too (his main band). Our singer's brother-in-law has offered to drum for us, if needed, even though he is in 2 bands already. Phew!
Edit...oh forgot our bass players original punk band in which he singers & plays bass.
One grumpy old man is opposed to music stands. If you aren’t screaming get off my lawn all the time it isn’t a big deal.
I used to book my own blues trio. I would book the gig and then find a drummer. If the money was right, I knew a keyboard player I could get. never rehearsed. We'd do blues standards, old Rock & Roll, "Mustang Sally". (Mostly) Easy money while it lasted
Does a band really need to rehearse Mustang Sally with a fill in drummer? If they do, they're probably not ready to gig!
5) The last gig we did I had a bunch of people come up and ask to buy CDs. We haven't even gotten ourselves together enough to get in a studio and make a proper CD. If we had one
we could sell them pretty easily at gigs. Doh.
cds are weird in 2019. i just saw a great internationally touring band and was bummed out that they had cds and not vinyl or tapes.
write your own music and book some shows.
I've NEVER done a casino show because everyone who ever HAS done one says they suck!
Biggest challenge booking gigs...."Will you comes come play for free? No. Ok how about a couple of beers and a burger each on the house?"
Beer and burgers...Sure don't pay for new strings. 9V batteries. Guitar set ups. Fret jobs. Replacement cords. To say the least.
Pretty much all of the above.
There's nobody in the band that's really good at doing it.
Booking takes a great outgoing personality often. Musician's want to play music not cold sell. I have known really busy bands that weren't very good, but they had one person who was good at it. One of the best was the Pepsi Cola rep in the area, also a drummer. He spent all week going to bars for his clients... and also booking the band at those places!
We want to get out of bars and book better paying gigs (corporate, private party etc)
These are tough. They can be not much fun also. But pay can be amazing.
Don't know who to contact or reach out to.
You get the run around a lot. Who was booking 3 months ago is gone or not booking anymore. Or you get, "I won't be booking until September again." You call early September and you get "I'm booked through February".
Learning how to book more concert in the park type of events
These are timing a lot. Some places are booked by end of previous year. Other ones you can't find anything out and they finally book a month or two before the event! Some have applications on their web site. Some never change the web site from the previous year until almost the event! Some say they will have apps and it never appears. One place we played 3 years in a row ("Blues Walk", 14 venues, many bands) year 4 I never could find out any info until the schedule came out. No answers from previous contacts. Some places are organized and have a "call for artists" which is great. Not many any more though.
Some other issue... Band people don't tell you they can't play a certain day, until you book something. Pisses me off, booking is a PITA.. at least let me know! All most want to do it show up and get paid.
Venues are getting scarce. Pay is getting bad. Too much competition.
Can't find a booking agent any more. Haven't used one for years. Just not enough money out there. or if there is one, he wants you to travel 100-200 miles either direction. Many of us bands are not in it to make a living.
Hey Schmee, I have found the exact opposite to be true. Sure, some of these high paying gigs can be boring. Most of them are fantastic. Of course, we're a party / dance band. I think that makes a huge difference. People hire us because they want to party. Some of the my most memorable performing moments have been at weddings and private parties.
Do you guys do a lot of those kind of things? Are you more of a concert / show band than a party band?