What is the best speaker for a 65 Vibro Champ?

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  1. ASC67

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    Didn't you read your own thread :confused:
     
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    Some people went with 3.2 some with 4 ohm, I'm trying to get a consensus.

    And no one mentioned the dust cover.

    Any input would be appreciated!
     
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    So I'm not going to get to test this speaker out before buying it, therefore I'm going to try to go by advice:

    Should I get the Alnico or the Ceramic with the 8A125-O in my 64 Vibro Champ?
     
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    Either one will sound good. I have the alnico and it is the bee's knees.
     
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    Best speaker and best preamp tubes? As someone else mentioned, you should learn to play before messing with speakers and tubes. Heck it took me some time just to learn about the amp and the tones I could get. That guitar and amp you have should take you a long time to master.

    Don't understand people who put the cart before the horse. Learn how to play and use the nice equipment you have before making subtle changes in the quest for tone. Sounds to me you don't even know what tone you're looking for.

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    here are some Mullard 12AX7A Tubes with GE and Raytheon Labels on them.
    The Raytheon say Made in USA but are the Mullard tubes, have the silver thin plates in there and the spiral wraps and top seams on the glass, great tubes.
    So you can find some great tubes if you know what to look for. The GE are from 1965 and the Raytheon are from 1963. The golden years for the Blackburn factory.

    And the Astron Vitamin Q quality .022/400v. caps are from 1967, what a great sounding cap. Put two of the .022's in a Tweed Champ or Princeton and some good glass, you will be in tone heaven.

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    All caps are not marked for the outside foil, the PIO caps included.

    Gabi made a cheap cap tester you hook up to any amp and you can listen to the cap to find the 'quiet side 'of the cap and the outside foil. On the Fender Tweed Champ the outside foil should be on the bottom, or the tube socket side of the board.

    I use a tester like this to easily find the outside foil and then most of the same caps will be the same as the rest. If the outside foil is on the left side of the writing, they will all be the same. So you can test just one or two caps and you will know how to install them.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VP6ZIHXq6Yg
     
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    Thanks, that makes perfect sense. My Sig 8 sounds very, very good now that it's broken in, but I love to tweak things.

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    Whoa! Nice tubes! I have a small but much loved stash of Telefunkens, Mullards, RCAs, and GEs. You have a really nice stash!
     
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    So does the type of dust cover matter?

    And, before I get the Weber, are there any vintage speakers that are superior to the 8A125-O?
     
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    Yes
     
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    It's all subjective, different people will have other ideas.

    The Weber Speakers are a high quality hand made speaker.
    You cannot go wrong with a new Weber Speaker in the 8" class.

    You will drive yourself nuts looking for the ultimate old speaker.

    When Weber builds a new 8" Speaker they charge-up the magnet
    on the speaker and make sure it's 100% ready before they ship it.

    I have old Jensen C8R speakers from organ pulls, they sound ok, but the Weber blows the doors off the old speakers.
     
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    All the issues have been pretty much covered, so this will be short.

    I'm an admittedly anal tone freak who will try 6 brands of the same value cap in an amp to listen for (probably imaginary!) differences.

    When it comes to Champ speakers, I prefer to stick with the original design intent - which was to use the cheapest thing Leo could get his hands on. With a few exceptions (JBLs in Twins, for example) speakers in most early amps were chosen on the basis of the best price for the size and power handling (sorta), with tonal comparisons NOT a big factor. Read any of the old interviews with Forrest White or George Fullerton - in the "professional" amps there were informal listening tests, but as far as practice amps went the speaker contract went to the low bidder.

    So I find the Weber Signature series to be closest to the originals in sound. I've tried all kinds of more expensive Webers and other brands and other than some providing too much headroom they just didn't make much difference...and the minor differences strayed from the various originals Fender used.

    Cheap amp+cheap speaker = best match.

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    Same thing. A 4-ohm speaker generally reads 3.2-3.6 ohms. You might want to read up on the difference between DC resistance and impedance.
     
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    I don't know about the low bid thing,
    Fender wanted speakers and parts that did not fail.

    He did not want his clients on stage playing and having speakers blow
    because he was buying the cheapest.

    Leo always tried to help the Musicians with the best gear.

    That's why in 1960 Leo had all P10Q Speakers put in the last Bassmans made
    because so ,many amps were blowing with the R's.

    Hook up a Bass and blow that amp up, was not hard to do.

    If leo was always for the 'low bid' he would not have used Mullard GZ34, RCA and GE tubes. Fender put the 7025 tubes in V1 & V2 of most amps because it was the best tone, not the cheapest price.

    I realize the speakers were different, but they always had Jensens available even when Oxford had the contracts. And when JBL developed the D130F, D140F and the D131F for the amps in early 1960 the Pros had better options for the custom orders.
     
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    Anyone else agree with this? These speakers seem to go for the same price. Are the JBLs better?
     
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    The JBL is not that great in a small 5 watt amp.
    It takes alot of power to drive this type speaker.

    I have never seen a 4 ohm 208, only 8Ohm & 16 Ohm
    as they were used for home HiFi, Fender never used them for any amps.
     
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    The Sig series Webers are very inexpensive--around $30. Buy it, try it, and if you want, you can make a change down the line and still not be into it for a lot of dough. They definitely have a break-in period, though.
     
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    exile, seriously there is no 'best'. One man's best is another mans worst. It is all relative. Some folks love jensen, others don't. Some hate alnico, others swear by them. You need to start with some basic building blocks and learn as you go. Tone is a very subjective thing, get back to the playing and the rest will come. good luck.
     
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