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Discussion in 'Bad Dog Cafe' started by offsideref, Oct 23, 2020.
April 23 1976
I think more than tearing down the conventions of rock and roll it brought rock and roll back to the forefront. What it tore down the conventions of were disco and the soft rock crap that was going on at the time
Attitude, Rebellion and...CBGB's. (...but first and foremost Attitude).
Sex Pistols ? Massive impact for a manufactured boy band.
Ramones ? Love ‘em. What was that ? ‘75 or ‘’76 ?
Here’s their 1970 virtual blueprint for hardcore
Punk to me was DIY, eff ewe to corporate mainstream rock and art, and while decidedly not hippy, it was anti-establishment for the times. Above all, it was genuine (Sex Pistols, notwithstanding).
Punk has since been defined to mean a fairly narrow framework of music arrangement and production, and attitude, more or less. I think it's more punk to resist categorization, both in practice and critique. But being a teen in the 80s, the damage was done long before my opinions formed on the subject.
I appreciate and relate to punk in the power of simplicity and DIY in my own playing, writing, and production ethos. The punk musicians I like(d) the most had something to say musically. Some of it may be poppy. But it was clearly not following a formula for the sake of distribution. At least not to my ears, anyway. At the same, it's still relatable in a 3 min radio cut way. I think that takes real creativity.
As far as guitar goes, some of my favorite sounds are/were from punk artists, particularly where rhythm styles and leads were meant to hit quick and hard. Gear was essential. But it was more about how they used it within their limits to make music that says something with simplicity and power. Billy Zoom and (later) Mike Ness are the first to come to mind.
EDIT: I would add on Bob Mould.
Oh ...tell me this is not punk
And tell me this particular song (not the band obvs) is not punk
makes you think don’t it ?
Now awaiting the inevitable Sonics clips...
if we're exploring proto-punk like The Stooges, let's go even further back to 1965 with The Sonics
I had a friend who worked in a local CD factory. He was part of their quality control for masters, etc. He listened to the master when it came in, and then again when it left (judging its condition). He would come by the house and bring me music he'd heard and thought interesting...quite a bit was punk ("The Happy Flowers" come to mind).
Frankly, besides some of the humorous lyrics (if I could make them out), I found it to be a difficult thing to enjoy. I mean, who's going to put this on their audiophile system and spend an evening listening to 'intentional noise' (even though that's how I experienced Punk)?
I suspect it is much more a genre to be experienced live, to be involved in the moment.
Thanks for asking.
To me, it means “anyone can play”.
Unfortunately, it always made me wonder “why?”
“Punk rock should mean freedom, liking and excepting anything that you like. Playing whatever you want. As sloppy as you want. As long as it's good and it has passion.”
To me, that equates to punk is good.
It was a statement that needed to be made.Flipping the bird to really bad bubble gum music.
Disco and the man and what ever else they threw at us. And it was good.
Heh, I just came to think about this little episode:
It was at one of our gigs a few years back. I was talking to a fan/friend:
-You know, that watch isn't very punk, he said and pointed at my sports/GPS/HRM watch.
-Well, I responded, would it be more punk to not wear it just because it isn't punk enough?
He smiled, nodded and said:
-Good point there!
High Energy rock and roll.
There's the whole ethos of it all which can be as all encompassing as the genre itself. Musically, the bands that resonated with me were bands like Dead Kennedys, Fugazi and Refused, whose "Shape of Punk to Come" is a classic.
Not sure punk was about individual bands, not for the people who were really into it.
I was born in 1954. To "me" a punk is/was a little kid with a bad attitude that nobody liked.
steve cookie and glen were getting their band together and hanging at malcolms sex boutique...he made his way into being their manager...but they needed a singer...viv westwood suggested john who comes in the shop regularly...then john showed up and malcolm convinced him to sing along to a song he will play (was it a faces song?) he got the job
that doesnt sound like a manufactured boy band to me...managers do that all the time...ask the band and they will tell you the same...most people that dont like a band always seem to call them boy band (reference our beatles hating member we have)...like those nsync and backstreet bands...its it a slam or trying to be...hmmm
also the john viv mentioned was john simon ritchie aka sid vicious not john lydon aka johnny rotten
the dickies version of communication breakdown is punk...the zep
that refused album is so good