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What does Punk mean to you?

Discussion in 'Bad Dog Cafe' started by offsideref, Oct 23, 2020.

  1. offsideref

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    upload_2020-10-23_11-48-16.jpeg Next Wednesday is the 43rd anniversary of the release of “Never mind the bollocks, here’s the Sex Pistols”. If you wander about city centres in the UK (when there’s not a lockdown) you can still occasionally see old geezers my age in punk gear. The full dyed Mohawk might be gone, along with the homemade safety pin face piercings, but the multi-zipped safety pinned leather jacket and Doc Martens have survived.


    But, what does Punk mean, when as far back as 2008 we were treated to the sight of Johnny Rotten sorry John Lydon advertising Country Life butter on TV? “You’ll never put a better bit of butter on your knife” indeed. I wonder if Sid and Nancy would have appreciated the irony.


    What punk meant to me in 1977, as a budding guitar player, was that we could all stop learning to play like our favourite guitarist, and start just making a noise like one. Which, looking back, was a lot of fun, although maybe not for the audiences, many of whom were gobbing instead of standing about or dancing. It was definitely two years of potential musical education time wasted, when I had way more spare time than I’ve ever had since.
     
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    It wasn’t until I quit after a year of guitar lessons in my teens and started playing along to Punk o Rama compilation CDs instead that I really started falling in love with guitar.

    I’m not into punk nearly as much as I was, but I owe a debt of gratitude for helping shape the player I am today. No doubt about it.
     
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    It's weird how the UK always seems to get the (dubious?) credit for a style movement that started in the US with the Stooges, The Ramones, and others
     
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    Not much when it comes to the music itself. Most of the music sounds too one dimensional and grey. In other words pretty boring. I like quite a few of the New Wave bands that came after punk. I had a lot of friends though in The Dutch neo punk scene. Good people.

    At the time there were two main scenes in youth culture in the Netherlands. There was the mainstream disco scene and the neo punk scene as the counterculture. The disco scene was very ****ed up and violant. The neo punk scene in general was relaxed and tolerant.
     
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    I like the sex pistols, ramones, toy dolls, a few french bands. But i guess the 2nd wave is not for me. Exploited, sham 69, and so on. Or maybe i didn't listen to the right bands.


    I just noticed the melody is close to that tune.

     
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    What does Punk mean to you?

    For me, the late 70s early 80 - say the 1975 to 1985 era, to be large...

    Crisis ambience, crisis music... Some kind of...

    The Sex Pistols, of course, come to mind ! :cool:
    And then all that new-wave, dark wave and post-industrial music ! :cool:
    Bauhaus,:cool:
    The B-52s,:cool:
    Echo and the Bunnymen,:cool:
    Siouxie and the Banshees,:cool:
    Gary Numan,:cool:
    Psychedelic Furs,:cool:
    Lords of the New Church,:cool:
    Ultravox,:cool:
    The Passions,:cool:
    New Musik,:cool:
    Taxi-Girl (France):cool:

    Numerous groups from Brescia / Italia : Artfiori...:cool:
    And so many others... I can't remember them all ! :rolleyes::oops:

    It was the era of Roland Juno and Jupiter, Prophet 5 and Moog Rogue, EHX, Boss, MXR Chorus and Flanger, BigMuff, ToneBender, Distortion+ ... :cool:

    I was 16 and a student in the year 1980 : I remember very well that artistic and stylistic movement - the music, the clothing style, the city...:cool:

    I think that now the Punk derived in two (meh) branches : Gothic and Grunge... :lol:o_O
    I may be wrong, but the New-Wave seems to have vanished from the musical landscape of today...:(

    But it's me, OK ? :D

    -tbln.
     
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    To me it means boring most of the times after 10 minutes, especially the 90's punk, i find more interesting the post 70's punk scene, New Wave, No Wave etc......
     
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    Well there is the mass media's version of punk.
    There's the DIY version that makes its own rules regarding what actually going on in the transaction. With regard to chops, gear, playing out, style fashion ,expectations of others.
    There's the music industries version of punk.
    Then there's the wanna be version of what punk is and the fashion aspect, posing and social conformity of a trendy thing and the people that emulate that model from then until now.
    with regard to the punk attitude , it could be said that punk denies the conformity that is expected in our society. Punk can reject those expectations, seeing through the hypocrisy and rejecting lives based on consensus reality , sometimes doing so with arrogance, and hostility , rage , and perhaps without compassion.

    Punk is at times dropping out turning of the radio television, going to clubs , not joining /participating in social clubs , organized religion, politics, living an invisible existence based on one's own values. Living as if on an iceberg alone in the middle of an empty sea as demonstrated by Jean Paul Sartre when life magazine asked him to explain existentialism.
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    Punk could be living without conforming to the judgements of others.
    Punk might include creating transgressive expressions of an individual's feelings.

    Punk is an illusory concept broadly defined by and contradictory terms.
     
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    An attitude.

    The Clash really merged the musical with the attitude and message.
    Not a lot of patience for most other punk bands. Petulant posturings I guess.



    The Cash brought it to Folsom prison tho!!

    :)


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    Punk was a musical rebellion of sorts, and it tore down the conventions of rock and roll. Punk showed that a non-musician could pick up a guitar and join a band.
    Punk paved the way for a slicker sound, which became new wave, post-punk, no-wave, etc.
     
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    It means many things to me. The DIY ethic was/is important. High energy rock music too.

    Musically, when it had been sort of defined, like "this is punk and that's not", it became pretty boring. Not all of it, but most.

    When the punk rock police had defined how it should sound, what the lyrics should be, how you should look and what you should think, it had become sort of the antithesis of itself. It's just that the punk rock police hardly ever contributed. Not musically, not stylistically and not by fixing gigs or fanzines. They were more into control and criticizing.

    At age 53 I still wear some of the attire almost daily. Spiky hair (natural color though) and the leather jacket (but no pins). Why? Because I like it. Because it fits me. Because it's me.

    I also still play in a punk rock band. I still love the early punk rock, but I hardly ever listen to it anymore.
     
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    Punk ate itself when it became mainstream.

    Now it's not dead; it just smells funny.
     
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    Oh, you mean all that stuff 40 years ago? I was there in Loisida NYC, c. '76---'86. And it certainly wasn't one thing---there's a world of difference between Talking Heads and early Swans. As far as guitar solos, Verlaine/Lloyd of Television played lots of long solos.
     
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    Punk?

    I think politics, anti establishment, youth vs middle age mediocrity, simple/loud music...

    It could be music with loud electric guitars copping Chuck Berry...

    like Johnny Thunders.

    I used to wonder if he was saying Born To Lose or Born too Loose...

    but it works both ways.

     
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    what punk means to me...life

    its music i enjoy

    it shaped my attitude

    im still rebellious and angry

    but im an individual among the masses
     
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    Punk ? ... I never got into it .
     
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    Bands: Television, NY Dolls, Patti Smith Group, Sex Pistols (of course), Ramones, Stooges, X, Husker Du, Fear, Blondie, Blasters, Clash, Slits, X Ray Spex, Bad Brains, Minor Threat, Black Flag. What's the common thread?

    Economics: DIY. Can't get booked? Find a vacant building, put up posters, borrow a PA. Can't get a record contract? Start your own label. Can't get publicity? Start a zine. Want to tour? Get on the phone and call friends and friends of friends, work the network. At its height punk was a huge underground economy working independently from the mainstream music industry. It was pretty exciting.

    "'A guy walks up to me and asks, 'What's Punk?' So I kick over a garbage can and say, 'That's punk!' So he kicks over the garbage can and says, 'That's Punk?' and I say, 'No that's trendy!'" (Billie Joe Armstrong)
     
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    Well, before punk, the UK Top 30 was full of stuff like this: the Wombles. The band most likely to tidy a hotel bedroom and drag a Rolls Royce out of the swimming pool.
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