What are your thoughts on Vintage versus New Telecasters/Guitars?

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  1. KC

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    I played a 66 Strat for 30 years, loved that thing, funky looking, refin, refret, then got divorced and ran into tax trouble and down the road it went. Replaced it with a (2012?) American standard, much better guitar, played better, sounded better. Then the EBMM Cutlass came along -- silent system, locking tuners, stainless frets -- and the AS Strat stays in the case mostly. Sentimentally I love the old stuff, and sometimes it's better -- my 1937 National is the loudest funkiest steel guitar ever. But the new stuff is great too.
     
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    In 50 years time, anything used today will of course be considered "vintage" - because by definition it WILL be.
    Will it be desirable like the 50s/60s stuff is to us today? Three conditions would have to hold:
    1. In 50 years there is still a functioning society and something of a capitalist economy where enough people have plenty of disposable income.
    2. Enough people are into old-fashioned activities such as playing musical instruments instead of doing hologram video-reality plug-in things (?)
    3. The world runs out of good wood and can't replace it, so that today's instruments are rare because they are made basically from unobtanium. Everything else on a guitar is easily and cheaply mass produced from common materials.

    #3 is already starting to happen (See: Brazilian RW, Honduran Mahogany, Adirondack Spruce). #s 1 and 2 are not a given.
     
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  3. Johnnykuz

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    New guitars, vintage tube amplifiers. Been playing 53 years. Vintage guitar are great as collectibles for investment, but I'd prefer to play a new guitar with modern hardware that will intonate, stay in tune, and still sing with that great old vintage tube amplifier.
     
  4. fasteddie42

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    the new stuff is way better than vintage.
     
  5. mfguitar

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    1. If Jimi was alive today he probably would be playing any number of signature models.
    2. I don't think the youth of today will be enamored with vintage gear like my generation. There will always be collectors but they will still be collecting 68' strats 50 years from now.
    3. In my opinion gear is so much better today (very much a blanket statement), I have quite a few guitars kicking around and a fairly new Tom Anderson just blows them all away. I have played some early Tele's and none can compare to what I have.
     
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    the phrase "more money than brains" seems to appy
     
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    1. Hendrix would be a DJ/producer, not a guitar player. But if he played guitar, it would be something completely modern.
    2. None. In 50 years no one will care about vintage guitars. It’s a boomer thing.
    3. New guitars are not inferior. In fact they are better and cheaper than ever. The vintage guitar market is about nostalgia and status, not quality.
     
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    My feelings about “vintage” has changed over the years. The day I realized the iconic guitars/players I idolized were not old/vintage back then. A lot of the hype became just hype. I owned. 1960 LP and a 1961 Strat back in 1969. Both were beat up POS guitars but they were my first real electrics. Having had several crappy beginner guitars I wanted a real guitar. I bought the LP for $250.00 and the Strat for $200.00. Imagine reliced to the max for a relatively new guitar. They really were beat up guitars
    I sold both for a profit of around $400.00.
    My first SG was in 1975. Today It’ll be considered vintage. A great player and the reason I use straplocks.
    Currently I own a 1947 BR9 and a 1974 LP Special (the first Gibson RI) &. 1974 PR. They can be considered vintage, but they are just my guitars and amp
     
  9. Hatfield92

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    I currently own two mex fenders (a Hendrix strat and a tele) and a Gibson Firebird that’s a couple of years old. And my order of preference is in the order I listed. Maybe I’m just a Fender guy (always have been), but those two Mex guitars are just as well crafted as the ‘90 American Standard Tele that was my first “real” guitar.

    That said, the best tele I ever played was a friend’s that was a 58 body with a 69 neck. I’d love to have that guitar. Just not at that price. And I FIRMLY believe the bottom will start falling out of the vintage market within a decade. My fellow Gen Xers KINDA care. But anyone younger doesn’t.

    Who knows? I may end up buying one of those old guitars for a reasonable price down the road.

    In the meantime, I’m in good shape. I agree with the guys saying it’s about the amp. Although my “vintage” amp is an almost year-old 6G2 clone that cost me about a grand from an upstart builder.

    So, yeah, I’m really price conscious when it comes to finding ways to create classic tones. But I still do it.

    As to Hendrix, I don’t think he’d be a vintage hunter... at least not until he’s famous enough to afford it. Then, maybe. Maybe not.
     
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    Refusing to answer because I hate the term "vintage" ...not to mention I the word "trem" (not that that was mentioned here)
     
  11. 3-Chord-Genius

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    The Fenders (and Gibsons, etc.) have all be re-worked and refined to death over the last few decades. What they produce now is certainly an improvement over what they produced in the 1950's. This does not count the hiccups Gibson had in the 80's of course.
     
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    while i definitely understand the appeal and value of old wood, especially where lightweight woods like swamp ash are concerned, modern Fender craftsmanship is excellent, and more consistent than at any time in their history. even some of their Ensenada built guitars are as well put together as any mass produced solidbody electric you're likely to find. with rare exceptions, i don't think a serious player needs to shell out the cash for an old one nowadays, to have a guitar that sounds absolutely top notch, with incredible playability. acoustic guitars are a different matter. one strum of a vintage Gibson, and you know immediately where the extra money is going, and why.
     
  13. Tonetele

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    Vintage. I had a 62 Telecaster in the early 80s. it was also an Ash body.
    The wood is aged and lighter due to the sap crystallizing and wood was dried out for many years before even becoming any kind of product 9 except Pine for house frames, not so old).

    The pickups seem to be tons better, maybe due to the wire used, I don't know. Vintage tuners. More hands on work and just are better.
    Only other guitars that were really good that I played ( not owned) were: 61 Epiphone Casino with mini-humbuckers, 61 SG Cherry Red Les Paul jr. on loan when singing for a band, also a 60 LPB jaguar, and the best, a beat up 63 L-Series strat. That sounded exactly like Mark Knopfler's red Strat ( maple neck one) . I know because it was our lead players guitar and is on sale here for $ 19,500 - a steal.
     
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    i disagree. there is real value to old wood, and it's going to get more and more valuable as time passes, now. this is particularly true for acoustic guitars.
     
  15. roycaster

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    1 Hopefully Hendrix wouldn’t have his endorsement guitars mysteriously vanish, needing him to send roadies to Manny’s to pick up new Strats for him…


    2 No. Not a single one…


    3 The cost of vintage guitars along with the finite numbers. Besides how can you honestly judge vintage guitars when so many people around are so busy trying to convince anyone who will listen that their Squier is as good as a Custom Shop guitar…
     
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    Hendrix would play gypsy space funk on a Lava Me carbon fiber guitar and hack the effects.
     
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    If I had tens of thousands of dollars invested in “vintage” examples of mass produced solid body guitars, I would certainly sing their praises at every opportunity to keep everyone pretending that the emperor isn’t naked.
     
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    I’ll play whatever sounds great and inspires me, vintage or new.

    I’ve got both and will play either.

    That said, new guitars are usually made better and are more consistent in quality and sound, but vintage examples can be magical in playability, feel, and sound. YMMV.
     
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    I love vintage guitars and gear. I accept that it's sometimes unreasonably priced, hard to find, and constantly in need of repair. I love the look, the history and thinking about who was playing it 50-60 years ago.

    That said, I like new stuff too.
     
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    I’m of the opinion that things wear out . Sold my vintage jazz box a few years ago and don’t miss it a bit. The money went for a new Strat and a used acoustic with some left over. Vintage is cool but in reality new is better
     
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