Were we more literate 50 years ago ?

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  1. Vognell

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    God no.. I was only 4.
     
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    Greatest rate ? or greatest quality ? Rockabilly died in 1956 when elvis had to go to the army.

    But yeah those sun record collectors are something else.
     
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    People in the US were more literate 150 years ago, even in the south.
     
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    The paradox is that we are simultaneously both smarter and dumber than we ever were before, and it has and always will be this way until we all go “pfft” and turn to dust.

    In other words, it’s all anecdotal based on your personal experience of what you actually know at this moment in time when reflecting on any bygone era.
     
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    Every generation seems to by and large believe it was smarter/better/whatever than the prior generations.

    Data (and common sense) suggest otherwise. 150 years ago only about 12-14% of the population was literate. That is now reversed, with only 12-14% (still far too high) illiterate.

    Over the period joked about here, literacy rates have improved from 42% in 1960 to 86% in 2015 (still much work to do), and improves a steady 4-5% a year.

    Culture is less centralized and more distributed (or fragmented, depending on perspective). Which many bemoan but may actually be a good thing if you don't happen to be part of the group that gets to decide what is culture in a more centralized mileau.

    The kids are all right.
     
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    Nah... illiteracy was rife. It is 20 or so times better now.
     
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    I was actually refering to those kids way of talking. I guess you can be illeterate and speak in a proper manner.

    And vocubulary is just like guitar licks. The more you know, the more you are able to express yourself.
    I had a philosophy teacher who told us that the monkey, washoo (not sure about the spelling here ) learnt a bunch of deaf people signs, and that your usual poor kids had less vocabulary than washoo.
     
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    Even tho I said 50-100 yrs go there were more very literate people with little formal education....
    the general population today is WAY more literate as a whole. IMO, Millenials are more literate on average than Baby Boomers or Gen X, and the young kids even moreso. They also have less anti intellectual baggage on average. They are more open to learning, not as racist, and not as hung up on being cool or fitting in. This is good.
     
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    I know I carry a bias, most teachers do I'm sure, but the downhill trend for mass literacy started with the decline of print media as the primary source of information and entertainment: radio>teevee>cable>internet. People don't and won't read as much as they used to. Us teachers been bucking the gizmos hard, but the gizmos are winning. Literacy is going to look different in the future.

    Marshall McLuhan said it in the '60s: the medium is the massage.
     
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    Washoe was a chimpanzee, and a very interesting one. And the "poor kids" part of your comment is a critical part of the literacy equation. It's never too early to start reading to your kids.
     
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    Thanks !
     
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    Thing is, with family working and so on, they would rather put them in front of the TV than reading, to get some rest. I work with kids, and one of them told me i was playing console at 2 and a half years old.

    I was like, but you can't even walk at that age and you were playing games ? He answered, yeah, i was sitting on the couch.

    I don't what the truth is in that statement, but it shows what the parents are.

    And i don't know at what age kids are supposed to walk.
     
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    Yes and no.

    Educated people in America were significantly more literate 50-60-100 years ago than today.
    But there were significantly fewer educated people.
     
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    LOL...I was 14 and knew EVERYTHING:cool:!

    It has been a downward trend since then:oops:.

    Seriously, yes, I believe there has been a general decline in literacy. I believe there are several contributing factors...discussion of some may get me expelled;). We are on a slippery slope.
     
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    Come to think of it, yesterday I heard someone on the radio misuse "fulsome".
     
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    Like fulsom prison blues !? otherwise, you are fired !
     
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