Were The Doors The Most Perfect Band?

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  1. WaylonFan76

    WaylonFan76 Poster Extraordinaire

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    :eek::eek::eek: I'm with you worshiping the Doors, but the above statement is a little harsh, I think. Bill is a really good bass player and responsible for half of the Stones' grooves and Mick Taylor is arguably one of the best British blues guitar players, if not the best.
    Check out Bill Wyman's bass track off Gimme Shelter:



    Speaking of bass and the Doors, I was wondering the other day why they used bass players in the studio but never live. Weird.
     
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    A. How do you know that's Wyman on that tune? It may be. Or maybe not. Let me put it this way, the Stones most memorable bass line is "Sympathy For The Devil." Keith came up with it and played it. I have a feeling Keith did a lot of the bass playing on the Stones records.

    B. As far as Doors not appearing live with a bass player, well, then it wouldn't be The Doors. I always hate when bands augment their live performances with some unknown guy on stage. I want to see the band, not some strangers on stage. I would want to see Jim, Ray, Robby, and John. That's The Doors. I am sure they felt the same way, too, thus no outside hired hand on stage with them.
     
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    Except that, in the studio they always use another guy or two ( Jerry Scheff on bass and sometimes an extra guitar player, often Marc Benno ). So the "normal" Doors is 5 or 6 guys. It wouldn't be augmenting, they're subtracting when they play live, is my point. But anyway...
     

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    Not always
     
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    Ok, give me an example of a studio recording without an additional bass player.
     
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    Read the thread. Six of the eleven tracks on the debut album just have Ray's key bass.

    It was usually just an overdubbed bass player, save for the horns and strings on "The Soft Parade." "L.A. Women" is the only album where they had a rhythm guitar player sitting in on a some of the songs. So, no, the normal Doors is not 5 or 6 guys.
     
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    Their current bass player Darryl Jones is arguably "better" than Bill, but since the latter's departure the band has lost much of its signature jauntiness and swing.
     
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    That's from a different point in time.
    It was much easier to accommodate say
    a session musician or two for a few days than it was to
    have to cart around another musician or
    musicians from town to town. It meant
    less guys on that stage and more money
    for other important things, drugs, pot,
    booze, women, blow.....just kidding, the money
    stayed in the management's pockets.

    it's not like it is
    these days where Pepsi or Coke or insurance
    companies are promoting things.

    Can you see Jim Morrison advertising
    Michelin tires??
    (cue music, "there's a killer on the road...")


    The Doors, Viagra Tour.

    " Hi, I'm Jim Morrison. Back in my hey day
    with The Doors I could always get it up.
    (cue music, Backdoor Man)

    But now, when on tour I reach for my
    little blue pill. I no longer take those red ones
    or the shiny yellow and black ones......
    All I ever need is my Viagra!"

    Don't believe it?
    Okay then, what do you think he would be doing
    if he were alive today? A guest spot on Criminal Minds?
    Voice overs? He would make a great voice over
    for one of those Ken Burns documentaries eh wot?
     
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    Not even close.
     
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    I recall reading that Buick wanted to use the music to Light My Fire in an auto commercial, with the phrase "come on Buick light my fire".

    Robbie Krieger wrote the song but apparently the biggest objector to commercially licensing Doors songs was Jim. He didn't dig selling out to the man.
     
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    That is a hilarious story!

    Like I said, the times have surely changed and
    now the spokepersons for major corps are
    sometimes rock stars from that era. Or CEO's and producers
    that wannabe rock stars. Donald Trump, Simon Cowell etc.

    "Don't trust the man" got replaced
    by "Show me the money".
     
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    So Jim didn't "dig" selling out to the man
    but he did sign his name to a record contract?
    So did all hose other so called "hippie" type bands
    and other "aware" people. Heck, they were the
    FIRST to sign!

    I think Grace Slick put it in perspective best
    when she said what bands in those days were
    doing was considered commercial art.

    They all had to conform to certain guidelines
    in order to sell records and get them played
    on the radio and without being "conformists"
    they would be back on the streets and replaced
    with the next guy willing to sign.

    Commercial art, designed to make money.
     
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    "Found Krieger's tone too thin".

    Really?? I think Robbie Kreiger is one of the most innovative Guitarist's ever. His Haunting Tones and writing ability along with Morrisons Showmanship and vocals could possibly make the Doors a perfect Band.
     
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    Let's end this thread on those fine words.
     
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    bigmuff113 Friend of Leo's

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    No. I get the last reply.
     
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    Okay.
     
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    People are strange
     
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    Taxer, The Doors wouldn't make a good warm up band for Nickelback, let alone rate a comparison to the Stones.

    watsa matta wit you ? :p
     
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    The End.
     
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    I seem to remember on some of the original recordings all the drums were mixed hard to one side, which sounded cool and unique. I don't hear it when I listen to those songs now. Have they been remixed or is my memory going?
     
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