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Discussion in 'Bad Dog Cafe' started by hemingway, Sep 10, 2020.
@burntfrijoles , this nugget of wisdom may be the end-all of this discussion.
Man! Like you guys are getting all existential and stuff
Hemingway, it occurs to me that your example there is the equivalent of showing two of your wonderful paintings to a friend who is color blind and he says he likes the painting that has a dog in it more than they like the one with the mountain in it. I do not choose a guitar or an amp or how I use them based on anybody’s ears except my own...just as you have to paint using your eyes. I don’t find a large percentage of people who own guitars that are truly listening to what the instrument or the amp is really doing, anyway. It is a small Percentage of guitar owners who are hearing much of anything...ime. This is my experience having worked for a large number of people over the last three decades. Listening is a discipline that must be exercised and developed, ime...just as a visual artist must learn to see in ways that others may not even consider.
Here are a couple of quotes I like from a fellow Hoosier and one of my favorite authors.
Great writer, and, as he'd rather be remembered, a fine humanist.
Of course you're right. My post was not entirely serious in one sense. But in another it was, in that it was a weary reaction to some recent threads about small differences in sound possibly caused by some things that some people take very seriously. So there is an element in it of Let's Not Take All This Too Seriously And Remember It's Supposed To Be Fun.
There's a constant back and forth as an artist - visual or musical or whatever - between understanding that we, as you say, see and hear in ways that others don't, and on the other hand that, frankly, what we produce is not usually as profound as we think it is. But we keep striving. And we're never happy. Because if we're happy then we've stopped striving. Damn. The curse.
I suppose my point is that you just need to make sure you're striving after the right things: that means writing a good song rather than making sure you have the right pickups or the right "tonewood".
And every now and then it doesn't actually hurt to sit down with someone who thinks your guitar sounds better because it's red rather than yellow. Because that should make you laugh, and bring you down to earth, and return you to what matters. And those are good things.
And by the way, thanks for the kind words about my paintings. They mean a lot.
Somebody is stealing my GAS technique. You know what my wife does? She counts cases. As long as I don’t exceed my current status quo I’m golden. She wised up to the old ‘same color’ trick back when Godzilla was just a gecko.
Sounds like ol’ Kurt had it figured out.
After I do what I can to make my instruments and my amps all they can be, I have to accept what goes on while I join in the creative moment in my own limited way. We agree on that, it seems.
As for your friend who is motivated by color rather than sound, it could be that what makes his chemistry and reactions happen is color. There are people who see sounds as colors. That is foreign to my experience, but I can only imagine that such an experience could be wonderful. It is interesting on at least one level how he reacts to colors. About my worst reaction to color is when a good looking blonde woman wears a pale to medium yellow. That is just wrong. The color scheme doesn’t work. And, the same lady in red will be a knockout!!
To Hemingway and Wally: those are really deep thoughts guys. I don’t know whether to cry or play my guitar!
Deeeeeep I say.
I’ve put this forward before on these pages.
My wife is a classical musician. All my guitars “sound the same”.
She’s right, essentially.
When I play them, I know... but I them in a similar way enough that to her ears they are no different.
Can I hear the difference between a Bechstein and a Blutner? Maybe a bit, but if the player is great, who cares?
Not a fan of Hendrix then?
Didnt read beyond post 1, but that's why we should strive to be musicians that musicians listen to.
I've haven't read every post in this thread, so apologies if somebody has posted this already, but it's not at all a new development. When Les Paul built his famous "log" in 1940 and tried it out at a bar gig, he received this response from the audience:
artist friends... sheeesh...
Duh, don’t meta the fun. That’s why posting a “NGD” thread at this forum is so anti-climatic. Y’all jaded and breaking down the 6th wall...unless I happen to have what you want next
If you want your most cherished tone fantasies to be crushed under the jack boot of uncaring reality, watch the youtube video with Billy Gibbon's guitar tech.
Billy uses .007 strings.
All the amps on stage are faux. All sound is coming from one 12" speaker in an isolation box back stage.
All 400 of his stage guitars are run through an equalizer to come out sounding like his favorite Les Paul bridge pickup.
My Japanese guitarist and I went to go scout out a venue in Tokyo.
Band on stage was God awful. Out of tune and so out of time.
He turns to me and says,
"All their gear is brand new."
I look and he was right. He and I both had pawnshop guitars and both of us didn't give a crap about it. When it came time to play neither did the audience.
Tomorrow, and tomorrow, and tomorrow creeps in this petty pace from day to day to the last syllable of recorded time.
And all our yesterdays have lighted fools the way to dusty death.
Out, out, brief candle!
Life’s but a walking shadow, a poor player that struts and frets his hour upon the stage, and then is heard no more.
It is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.