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Well, it was fun while it lasted... Squier Classic Vibe changes!

Discussion in 'Squier Tele Forum' started by Teleman60, Oct 15, 2019.

  1. ben smith

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    Indonesian squiers have always been better made guitars for me
     
  2. teleman1

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    I have never delved into this CV Fender stuff. But here is what I know. 20 years ago I had a Korean Strat. A basic guitar, the pickups were terrible, frets stuck out. Sonicly mediocre. My friend bought a Chinese strat Jan 2018 in Amsterdam. Perfect, resonant unplugged fun to play no issues. I wish I would have bought it. Nice or nicer than MIM strats. Some impressive workmanship coming out of China. My Chinese Lennon Casino was perfect.
     
  3. RoCkstAr256

    RoCkstAr256 Friend of Leo's

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    They werent 2019 i guess
     
  4. Chunkocaster

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    I played the 2019 CV jaguar and thought the quality of the frets, finish and hardware was a step down from my 2011 50's CV tele. I owned a Indonesian tele custom 2 and that had sharp fret ends too and the hardware was cheap, control knobs looked like toys, black plastic truss rod surround and the reflectors needed to be pressed to stick them back down.

    The headstock logos i've seen on the Indonesian models looks cheap too.
    I think they have just done some minor changes and rebranded the Squier vintage modified range as Classic vibes. I've also seen no sign of the illusive qtr sawn necks with light flame.
     
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  5. Chick-N-Picker

    Chick-N-Picker Friend of Leo's

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    Is nobody even gonna point out the pickup height screws being on the pick guard? That didn't happen in the 50's ;)
     
  6. Chunkocaster

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    I haven't seen a pic of the latest version. On Fenders site they only have pics of the 70's teles. So it has the neck pickup adjustment screws on the pickguard? Probably just another throwback to the vintage modified since they might have had a bunch of pickguards left over.

    Where can I see a pic of the latest Indonesian 50's cv tele?
     
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  7. DougM

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    https://shop.fender.com/en-US/squie...r/classic-vibe-50s-telecaster/0374030550.html 0374030550_gtr_frt_001_rr.jpg
     
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  8. jfgesquire

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    (Fender has the color names reversed!)

    IF I didn't already own mine, and were in the market, MAYBE I would buy the white blonde, give it a parchment pickguard, change the string retainer to a "T", and get a top hat switch tip and get t a nice '57 replica out of it.

    http://guitarhq.com/57tele.html

    Why the round retainer and in the lower position on the headstock? Fender never did that. And neck pickup height adjustment? In the 50s?

    More of a Vintage Modified than a Classic Vibe.

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  9. Chick-N-Picker

    Chick-N-Picker Friend of Leo's

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    Second picture you posted is the perfect tele to me.
     
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  10. fender4life

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    I gotta think someone has said this already, but in case not, people keep pointing out details that are not the same as the vintage version but the whole point of the name "classic VIBE" is to point out that they are NOT reissues of said model. They are supposed to have the vibe of a vintage style model, not be a reissue with the same specs. There are certain things that they have that give them the sound and look like vintage style 6 screw bridges with bent stel saddles on the strat. Yes, they are not exact with the small zinc block but the 6 screw type bridge and bent saddles still give a much more vintage type sound than a 2 post with block saddles. The colors also approximate vintage looks. The vintage style tuners cause different dynamics than heavy cast modern tuners and leave a more open sound.

    It's funny that this even gets brought up because most people prefer the more modern radius and frets, yet those are not vintage spec ! So we complain if a spec is not vintage but if it's a spec we like even tho it isn't vintage we don't complain. Seriously? Poor fender can't seem to win ! So they are NOT designed to be exact reissues, that's the point of the word "vibe" in the name. the are supposed to capture the general look and sound of the models they are designed after and they absolutely do that.
     
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  11. BorderRadio

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    I hate to try to 'qualify' myself but whatever. I owned several CVCs, a Thinline CV, a 60s Strat CV, all MIC. I played many others, they could found in almost any big store. I also owned several VMs, a Jag, a Mustang, a Jazzmaster, Bass VI, Jag Bass, fretless Jazz bass, a HH Cabronita, a 72 Thinline neck, and a JMJM neck (really a CV Jazzmaster before there ever was a CV 60s version).

    The offset VMs in general had poor wiring/solder work and finish blems. Neck pockets were good but generally not as precise as the CVs. Necks were appealing: most times the VMs were more chunky than the consistently thin CVs. Fretwork was good on all my VMs, but more frequently CVs were excellent.

    So far, I've bought a CV Jaguar and CV Starcaster, both brand new. The Jag was a glorified VM, and the biggest blems on that guitar were bad masking work on the binding, and some messy tooling marks around the nut and truss rod access hole. The CV Jag pickups, though made by another manufacturer, were spec'd no different than the previous VM Jag. The neck pocket was not as precise as the China made CVs, but fret work was good, not outstanding. I knew from the Bass VI how well the bound and blocked work could be: my Bass VI was nearly immaculate in both aspects. I was not that impressed and eventually I sold it.

    The CV Starcaster is different. So far, it's been impressive like the MIC CVs have been. Excellent fretwork, a slightly rolled fretboard, no finish blems. The binding was the only weak spot on finish: the f-hole had lots of rough edges on the inside, and the upper bout suffered some paint bleed or melt on the black purfling by the neck pocket. The neck pocket, even with it's steep pitch, was tight fitting. The back end of the pocket was angled correctly too, so there is no gap between the neck and body. Pickups sound great (not real WRHBs though), pots are full sized. Hardware is decent/standard. True to the older CVs, this Starcaster has the thinnest neck I've felt in a long long time. Not good for me, and no easy (i.e. cheap) way to remedy this.

    If the Starcaster is any sign, the new MII CVs should be able to deliver a 'plank-and-stick' Tele with little to no problem in QC.
     
  12. Telecastoff1

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    I have a CIC 2010, 60's CV Tele that I own and gig with quite often. I replaced the selector switch, changed out the wiring, installed a pair of 20 year old CS Texas Specials I had put aside years ago and shielded the cavities with copper tape. It plays and sounds great!
     
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    I wouldn't mind the changes much if they'd put a fatter neck on them in the process. I've liked the CVs I've played except the necks. They are just way too skinny for me and it's kept me from picking one up since day 1, which is unfortunate given their solid prices and build.
     
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  14. FenderGuy53

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    Great point, Boris! Equipping Squier CV's with Chinese Tonerider "clones" was a real coup for Fender!
     
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    Hmmm. My Fender Made in Indonesia Custom Tele FMT HH is gorgeous, light, well-built and well-equipped. LOVE IT!
     
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    Well, this is new...being sad that Fender Squiers are no longer made in China!
     
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    Hmm! I'm going to play one as soon as I can; they are just coming into the UK now. Look fine in pics and I fancy a white blonde. New alnico pickups - better than the toneriders? Actually the neck pickup screws on the pickguard are more easy to adjust and - as has been said - they are a "vibe" not a replica. I have seen some less than favourable reviews of the Jaguar so I will have to see. Anybody got one yet?
     
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  18. Anacharsis

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    I love my VM Jaguar, Jazzmaster, and 72 Thinline, and I don't regret getting them after seeing the changes involved in them going CV. I also have the CV 69 style Thinline, and it's great as well - especially now that I had some PV 64 Telecaster pickups installed in it.
     
  19. jfgesquire

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    Just a complete tangent to your post.... The PV64 pickups are reverse wound but same polarity of most other Fender pickups. They are fine if you keep them as a set.

    I used a 64 bridge with a 62 neck and they were out of phase. I had to use my neodymium magnets to flip the polarity of the bridge pickup. That did give me RW/RP which was a happy accident.

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    FWIW I played two Squier Teles yesterday at our local Fender deal...one Chinese and one Indonesian. The Indonesian was far superior in feel and looks, and had a much bigger neck.
     
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