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I posted about my Morley Pro Series active volume pedal woes in an earlier thread with exceedingly limited response, perhaps because volume pedals are boring 😁. I hope it’s kosher to reinvigorate potential interest with a new post.

The deal is that my Morley Pro Series volume pedal, which I bought used eons ago, pooped out the other night. After begrudgingly opening it up, I saw that the little plastic housing around the power input jack had crumbled, and the barrel connector couldn’t keep a reliable connection. After moping and silently cursing for a day or so, I desoldered the input jack out of a defunct MXR compressor I had kept around and soldered into the Morley. Fixed everything perfectly, even though it looked like a 7th grader had done it, but during my gassing for a new volume pedal for like a day and a half, I re-remembered how much I hate the sweep on the Morely. It sucks. Entirely. This fact is undebatable. Not quite on/off, but damn near. On the board, I have it after synth, envelope, compressor, boost and drive, so it is sort of a master control in my little pedal kingdom, and though I play primarily at home, I dig having a volume pedal there and use it all the time. Using it for swells, though, is horrible, and I love that sorta thing and want the versatility.

I simply would love to hear suggestions of what I should get to replace the Morely, since I’ve limited interest in trying to alter its sweep. Now, I have read/watched a LOT concerning all this over the past few days and know I can mod it, but am just not into it. Also, the thing has a surface area larger than Greenland. Screw that thing! My thoughts on new units are:

1) The mini Dunlop, of course, though the pot is 250k, and I have read that this is not ideal being fed by an array of buffered pedals, as it would be on my present board. Love the size, though, and the sweep is said to be good. And maybe being passive doesn’t matter as far as losing high end.

2) The Ernie Ball 25k version. Passive as well, requiring no power, and is good to take a low impedance/buffered signal with full, beautiful richness, or so I have read. That said, even in its jr size, it is longer than Chile, and would hang almost 2 inches over the edge my board where it’ll go, even after an extended Tetris match with my other dumb pedals. This unit, though, is quite cheap on Amazon right now.

3) The Hotone Soul Press 2. Also super economical, and active like my Morely too, and it has a foot-switchable wah, with switchable tone options for the wah and a Q knob too. I have read/watched varied feedback on the sweep of the volume. The quality or completeness of the sweep is important to me. The wah, though, is almost invariably reviewed as good. The reviews on the whole are positive, for all its functions. Also a great size!! And, dude, I used to be a wah guy. Maybe it’s time for a renaissance!

NOTE, my brothers: I CANNOT afford a Lehle, or at least am not willing to go so monetarily whole-hog on such a simple piece of gear. It just ain’t in me! I know one would solve everything probably, but eff that sort of cheddar.

Any feedback is appreciated, even those mentioning Lehles. Thank you kindly!
 
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Dependent on how many pedals you have in your chain and what gain levels you set each to, where you place the volume pedal will directly affect how it works.
The closer to the output of the instrument, the better the sweep control.
Conversely the further away from the instrument (ie. end of the chain) the steeper the dropoff in volume. If you want to put it toward the end of the chain maybe try using a buffer right before the volume pedal to see if that improves the sweep. My volume pedal goes after drive pedals but before wet effects if that helps at all.
I use a regular old VPJR and love the sweep.
 

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Dependent on how many pedals you have in your chain and what gain levels you set each to, where you place the volume pedal will directly affect how it works.
The closer to the output of the instrument, the better the sweep control.
Conversely the further away from the instrument (ie. end of the chain) the steeper the dropoff in volume. If you want to put it toward the end of the chain maybe try using a buffer right before the volume pedal to see if that improves the sweep. My volume pedal goes after drive pedals but before wet effects if that helps at all.
I use a regular old VPJR and love the sweep.
Thank you. You echo a bunch I have read. My Morley goes where yours is, and there are a number of buffered pedals upstream, but this does help. Is your EB the 250k pot version? The 25k is supposed to better handle buffered or active signals, or so many say. I would think that since my Morley is active, variances in placement wouldn’t really affect the sweep, but it sucks sweep-wise no matter where I put it. I actually used to have it in front, but put it after the drive section a few years ago.
 

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I use the big Dunlop one without any issues, though most of my pedals are run through a loop switcher, so that may have something to do with it.

I like that I can plug it in as normal through the loop switcher and use it as a volume pedal, while also keeping it plugged into a couple of other expression-capable pedals for use as an expression pedal when their loops are engaged (the volume pedal's expression jack is connected to a splitter, from which I choose which pedal is getting...expressed...).
 

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I use a Ernie Ball or a Dunlop and really like the sweep on those. They seem to be pretty popular with a lotta other guitar players too.

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Get a mini-Cry Baby, re-wire it to be just a volume pedal. Small enough to fit on your pedal board. I believe the stock pot will be 100K, but you can purchase higher resistance pots at 250K or 470K to avoid any tone suck. I run an old Cry Baby at 100K and I don't have any issues, but I also don't run a lot of pedals.
 

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I can't vouch for it personally, but the Xotic XVP-250K should be the size you're looking for (and their other pedals are great). I have an Ernie Ball Jr currently, but the XVP is enticing.
 

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Morley 20/20 Volume Plus Volume Pedal | Sweetwater
I love mine. Have an old, full-sized one as well. (Fingers crossed it doesn't die on me like yours did.)
 

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I use the excellent EB pedal. Gain pedals come first in my board. Next, I like volume swells with repeated echo, so the EB is before the Boss DD3 and the echo tails can continue after I drop the volume. A clean boost (Durham Sexdrive) is last in my chain.
 

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The Ernie Ball is exactly what you're longing for. Perfect sweep and built like a tank. And don't worry about the size - it's actually much more comfortable to use if it's a little bit away from your pedalboard.
 

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I've owned several volume pedals. Boss, Dunlop, Ernie Ball, and the Xotic XVP (couldn't sell that one fast enough). The stock Ernie Ball is where it's at for me, as I too am loath to spend Lehle money for something so "utilitarian" (who am I kidding. I'll have one in the next six months 🤦‍♂️).

I have my volume pedal first in my chain running into a buffered volume pedal and it sounds fine. I do notice a little bit of tone suck if I am sitting down switching it into then out of my signal chain, but nothing so egregious that I even think about when I'm playing.
 

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Is a matter of probability…
EB jr vol. I use it as an expression pedal and it is great for that. Occasionally the ‘expression parameter’’ is volume so I guess that qualifies. Both of mine are very linear in travel.
 

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The Ernie Ball has a nice sweep IIRC, too bad they dont sell it with a folding carry cart or casters though! :>)
 

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Thanks for all the feedback, peeps. I am leaning towards getting the 25k EB VP Jr come next paycheck. I think it’ll work well with where I want to put it in my chain, and they are reasonably priced new. It is really too damn big for fitting on my board, but I will just have to figure that out. That’s the kind of problem I don’t mind having. If anyone uses the active Hotone Soul Press II vol/wah I mentioned in my original post, and you have a hankering to complicate my current line of thought, have at it. I would like having the wah option, but the reason I stopped using wah years ago is because it sorta got on my nerves, which it probably would again. I love a cocked wah sound, but the series switch with the fourth position on my Vintera ‘60s mod tele nails that. Plus I already have an envelope filter on the board. Anyway—for now I am sure the EB would be killer. I love a full sweep, and I hate this damn Morley. I actually had an old Goodrich many years ago someone GAVE me, and its sweep was awesome, but when the string broke I actually THREW IT AWAY like a complete moron during a move. Oh well, if I knew all I know now! Thanks again for all the advice, and I still am all ears.
 
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Quick update:

Concerning whether the EB 25k or 250k passive VP is best for my rig, I got a response from Ernie Ball customer service. I had read numerous place that the 25k was best suited for placement after buffered pedals like I want to do. Below is what the folks at EB said. If anyone thinks they know better please let me know!

Hello,

Thank you for contacting Ernie Ball Customer Service!

For most setups, regardless of position in the chain, the 250k is best suited. The 25k is more suitable for high-powered active signals like from a keyboard or rack. The powered volume pedals, MVP and Tuner, have an active buffer so they would definitely work with any setup.

Sincerely,

Ernie Ball Strings and Accessories
Domestic Customer Service Team
 

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Let us know how the EB works out.

I bought an Exotic volume pedal which I love because it has mechanical gears vs belts which some have on their units. The pot became scratchy after a year but since Sweetwater has a 2 year warranty it was covered (except for shipping).

Mine is near the end of the pedal board before reverb. It is nice to step it back (and it stays) for when I want to change out pedals without having to go to the amp volume.

I'm a big fan of Steve Howe so I use mine a lot.
 
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