Vintage LP Jr's. - Why so "cheap"?

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  1. Troubleandahalf

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    Not that I'm complaining but it appears you can get 50's Juniors for $4k-8k.
    I don't understand- I guess I'm used to the Tele market but I must be missing something. Do guys just not like them or what's the deal?
     
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    $4k-$8k is cheap? :eek:

    It's a log with a pickup on it. A nice log, but still...
     
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    SSsssshhh!! No we love 'em, but pleeaase don't go telling everyone!
     
  4. Troubleandahalf

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    Vintage LP Jr's. - Why so "cheap"?


    Relatively cheap my dear man.
    Compared to Teles, Strats and Les Paul Standards. We've all seen 50's Teles well north of 25k. So just pleasantly surprised and won't tell a soul.
     
  5. unixfish

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    The Girls in my family just saw Green Day at the House of Blues in Cleveland, then again at the R&RHOF induction ceremony. This had me thinking about a LP Jr. I got excited when the "why so cheap" thread came up.

    Relatively cheap. I get it now. Never mind.
     
  6. John C

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    That's just it - LP Jrs and Specials are not the most desired model; if you want a vintage LP the pricing hierarchy seems to be:

    1. Sunburst Standards
    [BIG GAP]
    2. Goldtop Standards (further broken down by humbuckers vs. soapbars)
    3. Customs
    [SMALLER GAP]
    4. Jrs and Specials


    You'll see the same thing with Fenders:

    1. Strats and Teles
    [BIG GAP]
    2. Jazzmasters and Jaguars
    [GAP]
    3. Musicmasters and Duo-Sonics

    You wouldn't compare LP Jrs/Specials to Strats, you would compare them more to Musicmasters/Duo-Sonics as they were considered "student models". And a vintage LP Jr. still goes for a lot more than a vintage Musicmaster.
     
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    Yeah - but throw a pair of P90s in it and YOU ARE Johnny Thunders. BRRR_RANG!

    Sorry. It's the same with the LP Studios - which I really looked down on back when I was playing and didn't know anything.
    It had to be an LP Standard because that's what Clapton, Page, Duane, Gary Moore, Peter Green (same guitar) played.
    Then I tried the Jrs and studios - they weighed less and had some pretty nice feel. Sustain or mojo - debatable.
    Having refinished a few, I will say that Gibson has much nicer, better matched wood than Fender. By a metric ton.
     
  8. Tommy Biggs

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    still too rich for my blood at those cheap prices.

    They used to have a lot of them in the window at We buy Guitars on 48th street (back in the 70's/ 80's) for $500.

    I couldn't afford that much back then, and spent $250 for a Tele.

    I wound up with a Hamer special for my Mahogany P-90 guitar, I'd still love to get a junior...
     
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    Anyone buying a "vintage" guitar is likely looking at future re-sale value based on what it is and future availability combined with some good old nostalgia and the perceived build quality and materials of yesteryear. Since I can't afford to buy vintage guitars as an investment, my interest would be in actually "playing" it..what a novel idea. So, for $4000.00, I guess I'll pass.
     
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    They were $90 back in the mid Fifties - one of my guitar buddies had one bought new. Wonder if I can find him...
     
  11. rze99

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    No one gets worked up about the burst or flame and stuff. They look cheap!
    I nearly went down the vintage route when I was fixated on getting an original '57 Junior for £4k. Close call. I then saw a used '57 reissue VOS thank God at a low price (for the UK). All the benefits of a fantastic guitar that I'm not afraid to gig with. BTW If you've never owned a Junior and you like to play anything remotely gutsy, stop wasting your time and buy one. Got two and they are both keepers.
     
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    Even better...SG Specials.
    2 P90s!
     
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    Grab yourself an old 59/60's Melody Maker for a grand or less, whack a P90 or two in it, and you've got a lighter LP Jr or Special with a straighter string pull.

    -Ryan
     
  14. tonyj

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    Like so many others, I would love to own a Vintage Tele or Strat, but though I do own a 'reissue' NoCaster for instance, it probably isn't going to happen.

    There is also far too big a gap between owning a nice Vintage Les Paul Junior and owning a similar condition Vintage Tele.

    LP 'Specials' for some reason seem to 'jump' quite a bit in price too, but as I love and prefer 'Juniors' anyway, I haven't pursued too many 'Specials' in a while.

    Thankfully LP Juniors, whilst still not cheap, are far more affordable. It all depends on how high you choose to shoot.

    The most desirable vintage LP Juniors, i.e the ones that can cost the 'big' but more affordable dough, are usually 'all original' and are without issues - cosmetic or otherwise.

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    However there are cheaper ones to be found, including those that have been 'worked' on or 'modified' back and forth over the years. These can occasionally be found for a fraction of the price of most pristine examples. Btw, the guitars in the photos are both mine and are both '59s. The ugly one (below, as you have probably figured out) still plays and sounds wonderfully good, due to the fact that much of its original equipment, including the iconic vintage P90, is still present. The 'scruffy' look actually saved me a whole bunch of $$$. The guitar is without any 'functional' issues however, and is a joy to play. I no longer see it's cosmetic failings, and I would buy it in a blink if it came my way again.

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    Wasn't there a time a few years back when ones in great shape were north of 10k? Like, well north?

    Am I making that up? Anybody with a Blue Book?

    Cheers,
    Geoff
     
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    Fantastic guitars! Gibson's version of the Esquire.

    My '55 TV Jnr isn't going anywhere. It's 6lb 2oz of goodness.

    Find a lightweight one and you'll keep it......but single-cut is the way of the light.
     
  17. Troubleandahalf

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    Tony, those are gorgeous. I kinda like the beat up one even a little more than the beautifully preserved one.

    Shout out to London John! I actually had your epic '52-'53 Tele search (and find) in mind in my post.

    The Jr.'s weren't on my radar at all until I happened to see an Epi on blow out, which I posted about and NGD before. But I'm in now. These are fun guitars.
     
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    I'm lovin' my '59 re-issue, that was truly cheap.

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  19. Troubleandahalf

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    Vintage LP Jr's. - Why so "cheap"?


    Excellent points. I feel fortunate then that my taste runs counter to the market in this case. I've had Standards, but I just can't get down with them. Because- Tele. Haha
     
  20. rze99

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    Can't help myself.. here are my babies... a 2005 full Junior (full lacquer not the later satin ones) with Kent Armstrong P90, Sprague orange drop; Custom Shop Junior VOS, Lindy Fralin P90 and Grovers. The VOS is the best sounding guitar I have rivaled only by the R4.
     

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